tuscarora dave
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Can you see the resemblance??
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is polish dangerous?
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swanicyouth
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Yeah man. That's awesome. I made sure to burn all my pictures, except for the mug shots - they live in perpetuity. I'm like you now, I don't use anymore.
But, for the original topic, guys have been using polishes and such for many years safely. Barry Meguiar himself touched on this subject at the round table discussion at Detail Fest. He basically said, he and his crew have been working with this stuff for years and don't know anyone who has a problem. I'm sure the video is on AG's You Tube under the DF 2014 page with the DF videos. I think it's called round table discussion or something similar.
I wouldn't worry too much about MOST detailing products. I just had a guy come in my pharmacy for some Percs who burnt his whole hand up with muriatic acid. I said it ate right through the glove (and his skin). So, I would be careful with Wheel Bright, Chrome Wheel Cleaners, and anything containing HF acid.
But, for the original topic, guys have been using polishes and such for many years safely. Barry Meguiar himself touched on this subject at the round table discussion at Detail Fest. He basically said, he and his crew have been working with this stuff for years and don't know anyone who has a problem. I'm sure the video is on AG's You Tube under the DF 2014 page with the DF videos. I think it's called round table discussion or something similar.
I wouldn't worry too much about MOST detailing products. I just had a guy come in my pharmacy for some Percs who burnt his whole hand up with muriatic acid. I said it ate right through the glove (and his skin). So, I would be careful with Wheel Bright, Chrome Wheel Cleaners, and anything containing HF acid.
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dont drink them.ps worst part is when they get in your eyes and loungs
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Before I attempt to answer your thread-starter's question;
and, if you wouldn't mind too awful much:
I'd like to find out about a couple of things.
First:
-When it comes to: Harmful by inhalation...
Why are you wanting to separate the "non natural" from the "natural" (I'll assume this to be synthetic/man-made vs. naturally occurring/not man-made)
Next:
-(Now, don't anyone scoff)...
But do you have the MSDSs for:
Menzerna 400 and the Porzelack Express Wax?
•I could guess that:
Menzerna, being a reputable Company, may be using their "conglomerate abrasive technology": abrasives probably consisting of highly refined aluminum and/or silica oxides...
•But I won't.
And since I have not previously heard of the Porzelack product line: To wager a guess of the constituents of their formulations would be unfair, to say the least.
Lastly:
Thanks in advance for any input you may have
in regards to the above inquiries of mine.
Bob
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0 debt and enough guaranteed money coming in not to ever have to worry about my finances
Health wise? Only God knows
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I think this is a not a so far possibility since you are using a rotary machine and you make it vaporize and fly away in the room!
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these are the safety sheets for porzelack express wax and FG400:
http://sites.dennert.cc/porzelack/files/datasheets/careproducts-exterior/expresswax.pdf
http://www.menzerna.com/uploads/tx_sbdownloader/TDS_FG400_01.pdf
WE REALLY NEED A GERMAN TRANSLATOR (OR A GERMAN USER!)
yes with "non natural" I mean a synth wax and not a natural wax which we know it's not harmful... (express wax is a pink liquid... I don't think it's natural...)
I think menzerna doesn't use silicons anymore... I may be wrong though... There's a more real possibility that porzelack products have silicons....
Tut tut.... you don't need a translator... The crucial info is multi-lingual.
Xn - we should all know this means 'Harmful'
(F -flammable, Xi -irritant, C-corrosive, T-toxic etc.)
There are also the R38, R65 and R67 codes which tell you the specific risks.
Is there not a bloody big 'X' in and orange box on the label? There should be!!!
Overall, most polish type products will be harmful due to the solvents. Professional users really should consider using disposable gloves and safety goggles, almost as a routine. A surprising number of products would require them (if you cared to check the MSDS - as you would be required by your H&S regs) and, with regular use, even the non-hazardous products have the potential for skin irritation, due to defatting. Personally I wouldn't worry too much about aspiration risks, unless working in enclosed areas and with more volatile (read flammable) products. Of course, always follow the instructions on the label and MSDS because there will be exceptions, especially when using spray products.
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I noticed the big X on the last page. But can you tell me which subtances are in the composition? I think we need to translate that to know it!
FUNX650
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If you go by the MSDS' CAS#s under:
Section 3.
Zusammensetzung/Angaben zu den Bestandteilen
(Composition/Information on Ingredients)
...you'll find the listed (hazardous?) substances for the Porzelack.
Accordingly:
CAS# 64742-47-8 =
CAS# 64742-49-0 =
Bob
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I may be wrong but I personally don't worry so much if there is for example bleach or some weak acid on'em which they are actually irritant substances. It is a different situation if I know there is benzene or naphta which they are irritant and also cancerogenic substances!
Irritation is a relative word...
FUNX650
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If you go by the MSDS' CAS#s under:
Section 3.
Zusammensetzung/Angaben zu den Bestandteilen
(Composition/Information on Ingredients)
...you'll find the listed (hazardous?) substances for the Porzelack.
Accordingly:
CAS# 64742-47-8 =
CAS# 64742-49-0 =
Bob
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you mean these
Erdöldestillat mit Wasserstoff behandelt, Kohlenwasserstoffgemisch
Kohlenwasserstoffgemisch entaromatisiert
Das in der Zubereitung enthaltene Erdöldestillat hat einen Benzolgehalt
are the harmful substances?
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Googling the CAS numbers appear to be petroleum distillates and naphtha.
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FUNX650
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At least one of them:
"Petroleum distillate treated with hydrogen, hydrocarbon mixture
Hydrocarbon mixture extract flavored
The petroleum distillate that is contained by the preparation has a Benzole"
If you type in the CAS#'s (like I listed above; and found on any MSDS's)...into your browser...
you'll find sites that'll list the substances---and often their synonyms.
I apologize:
I didn't realize you did not know this bit-of-information regarding:
"How to Read an MSDS".
Bob
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Let's set aside for the moment the solvent-part of the "inhalation dangers"
from waxes, compounds, polishes.
What about the "dusts" (seen and unseen) from the abrasives
contained in these car-care products?
***Note:
I have to interject here that "natural waxes" do pose an inhalation danger.
They are not usable for car-care tasks unless some kind of solvent/emulsion are added. JMO.
Back to abrasives.
-Most of the types of these abrasives are silica and alumina oxides.
-There also may be the presence of diatomaceous earth (D.E.),
elemental carbon (carbon black---think about this when you scrub your tires),
rare earth metals (cerium oxide for the auto-glass polishes/polishers), etc...
...All Major contributors towards many, many (and most times incurable):
lung diseases, including lung cancer.
Here's some:
Chemical Pneumonia; silicosis; toxic tracheobronchitis; tuberculosis; asthma; COPD;
For the metal polishes/polishers: Hard Metal Lung Disease, Metal Fume Fever, to list a few;
Ardystil Syndrome for the aerosols users;
"nano-materials" (carbon nanotubes, polymers, composites); etc., etc.
-I'm like Flash in wishing I had known more about this when younger!!
-You can eliminate many of these "inhalation dangers" by wearing
the recommended PPE that's listed on MSDS's.
If you don't have, "or cant get", a product's MSDS...
then either don't purchase it; or wear the PPE that's
been recommended for other, similar products.
These PPEs are what I have and highly recommend:
3M Tekk Paint Project Respirator, P95.
Or at the very least these:
Disposable dust-masks
Better safe than sorry.
Bob
from waxes, compounds, polishes.
What about the "dusts" (seen and unseen) from the abrasives
contained in these car-care products?
***Note:
I have to interject here that "natural waxes" do pose an inhalation danger.
They are not usable for car-care tasks unless some kind of solvent/emulsion are added. JMO.
Back to abrasives.
-Most of the types of these abrasives are silica and alumina oxides.
-There also may be the presence of diatomaceous earth (D.E.),
elemental carbon (carbon black---think about this when you scrub your tires),
rare earth metals (cerium oxide for the auto-glass polishes/polishers), etc...
...All Major contributors towards many, many (and most times incurable):
lung diseases, including lung cancer.
Here's some:
Chemical Pneumonia; silicosis; toxic tracheobronchitis; tuberculosis; asthma; COPD;
For the metal polishes/polishers: Hard Metal Lung Disease, Metal Fume Fever, to list a few;
Ardystil Syndrome for the aerosols users;
"nano-materials" (carbon nanotubes, polymers, composites); etc., etc.
-I'm like Flash in wishing I had known more about this when younger!!
-You can eliminate many of these "inhalation dangers" by wearing
the recommended PPE that's listed on MSDS's.
If you don't have, "or cant get", a product's MSDS...
then either don't purchase it; or wear the PPE that's
been recommended for other, similar products.
These PPEs are what I have and highly recommend:
3M Tekk Paint Project Respirator, P95.
Or at the very least these:
Disposable dust-masks
Better safe than sorry.
Bob
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Are you talking about elemental Silicon (Si)...
Or...Did you mean: silicone?
Another poser:
Besides the solvents in this Porzelack "Express Wax"...
What do you think would actually make it a Wax-product?
Bob
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^ FUNX725 as always has been saving the day!