Nanoskin Pad Marring, What did I do wrong?

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So as the title suggests I used a Nanoskin Fine Pad on my Black Volvo S60 and while it did smooth the paint it also marred the clear coat pretty good...

Check out the pics here...
https://imgur.com/a/dWnmU

I used a griots 6 inch polisher and Chemical Guys Clay Luber.Did I do something wrong or does this happen sometimes?

FYI: The white spots are nicks in the paint from rocks this winter... These images are of the lower portion of my hood and it took a pretty bad beaten this winter. However the consistent white marring that you see is all from the Nanoskin pad. I was able to remove the marring during the polishing stage with relative ease so all is good now, but I am still curious as to why this happened.
 
Could just be very soft clear coat, this happens sometimes with mechanical decontamination. If it came out with polishing no need to worry!


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It happened to me on my black truck the last time I used it. I've never used the nanoskin without following with a polish so idk.

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Hi.

If you used proper technique, and marring came out easily, you haven't done nothing wrong.

Even being extra careful using fine grade by hand, some paints will exhibit more marring than others.

On the other side, I've used medium grade on hard paint which exhibited no marring at all.


So, like I've said: correct technique, marring out easily, you done it right. Bet your paint is smooth as glass.

Kind Regards.
 
Have you broke in the nanoskin before the first use?

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You have soft paint since the Fine pad did that.

Make sure that you do you lots iof lube when useing the pad. I set my polishers on speed 3 and use no pressure. If you have done that and still have the marring then you have soft paint.

Keep that in mind when going for correction. You won't have to use as aggressive combo as you might think. Do your test spot(s) and start off with a polish on a finishing pad then go from there.
 
Could be my technique... This is my first time using a DA. Is there anything special that you need to when using a Nanoskin Pad, I used the same technique for polishing basically? I broke the pad in using the method on the box... I used a ton of lube as I did not want to have any issues... I did about two passes on speed setting 1.


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RubbishReview said:
Could be my technique... This is my first time using a DA. Is there anything special that you need to when using a Nanoskin Pad, I used the same technique for polishing basically? I broke the pad in using the method on the box... I used a ton of lube as I did not want to have any issues... I did about two passes on speed setting 1.
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When you state that you used the same technique as polishing, did you put any pressure on it at all? I have read absolutely no pressure beyond the weight of the polisher. Also, I believe (ironically) that it seems the fine nanoskin seems to mar more than the med grade.
 
My guess is the clay lube: Cheap clay lubes have silicone in them. you can determine this by looking at the ingredients. And guess what?... Silicone is the PRIMARY cause of holograms. I didn't learn this myself, but i 100% remember a reputable someone else saying it on these forums. Also, I do know that silicone is extremely hard and durable and does NOT break down microscopically like aluminum particles in polishes. I am 95% sure that is your problem. Unfortunately, clay lube isn't worth the cost (this is only my opinion), as *most* add silicone to the surface of your vehicle, and trust me, you don't want that. IF you ever use clay lube, be VERY sure to wash your car after claying to rid it of extant clay lubricant. If you'd like to contrive a marring-free finish via clay and polishing, use soapy water for the "lubricant", rinse the car totally, and then use your polish.

I firmly believe (my opinion) that your car was not marred by the pad, but by the clay lube.
 
MendhamCarSpa said:
My guess is the clay lube: Cheap clay lubes have silicone in them. you can determine this by looking at the ingredients. And guess what?... Silicone is the PRIMARY cause of holograms. I didn't learn this myself, but i 100% remember a reputable someone else saying it on these forums. Also, I do know that silicone is extremely hard and durable and does NOT break down microscopically like aluminum particles in polishes. I am 95% sure that is your problem. Unfortunately, clay lube isn't worth the cost (this is only my opinion), as *most* add silicone to the surface of your vehicle, and trust me, you don't want that. IF you ever use clay lube, be VERY sure to wash your car after claying to rid it of extant clay lubricant. If you'd like to contrive a marring-free finish via clay and polishing, use soapy water for the "lubricant", rinse the car totally, and then use your polish.

I firmly believe (my opinion) that your car was not marred by the pad, but by the clay lube.
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I gotta tell ya, I don't believe it. With all due respect.
 
Evan.J said:
You have soft paint since the Fine pad did that.

Make sure that you do you lots iof lube when useing the pad. I set my polishers on speed 3 and use no pressure. If you have done that and still have the marring then you have soft paint.

Keep that in mind when going for correction. You won't have to use as aggressive combo as you might think. Do your test spot(s) and start off with a polish on a finishing pad then go from there.
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↑This! I use the fine grade on my pneumatic palm sander and PLENTY of lube and no marring whatsoever. Love it!

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I have had the same problem with the pad and will never use it again. I now use the mitt and have not had any issues.
 
Some time ago I was writing on forum I never got terrible marring with nanoskin, and that was absolutely true. Generally, fine marring if any.

However, it happened. And it happened in a case I wasn't expecting (wanting) it to happen.

I was working on a trashed 2013 GM Cobalt in Solid Black color. I've tried to made my softer and best claying ever to avoid any marring since I was not willing to make the paint looks even worse.

I've used fine nanoskin mitt, plenty of lube, my best 'anti-marring' technique, see some shots what happened:

Before shot when car arrived (under the sun shot):
claymarbefore.png


After thorough was and gentle (yet effective) fine grade nanoskin (swirl finder light greatly reproduces defects spotted under the sun):


You can see the marring on the hood (slight in between horrible other defects):
hood-claymar.png


Apart from marring, I would not feel comfortable if letting you without any correction picture around this work...

Test spot on the hood


The rear side pillar that is on before pictures above, under same light


From slight light change in direction while inspecting for any flaw


More clay marring (plus defects) on passenger's side rear part, under swirl finder light:


Under work light:


Done.


The clay marring 'per se' went away after 1-2 passes... however, this paint needed almost 3 steps in every section to finish in an acceptable manner.

In conclusion, nanoskin marring may occur to some degree depending on paint, so it's good to always be aware of it's possibility.

It's ugly, but it's really easy to get rid of. Can't say the same about 'vandalism' cars suffers from 'cheap' (in quality, not in price) auto washes all around.

Hope that helps,

Kind Regards.
 
I almost never use lube, just soap. I've had nanoskin mar paint with both soap and onr as lube. It's just the name of the game. Improper technique can cause more severe marring, but sometimes it just can't be prevented. I've never had an issue removing the marring by polishing.

The issue is that you are rubbing a flat, piece of, basically rubber across the paint surface. Unlike clay that can somewhat absorb contaminants, the synthetic sponges and towels just grind the contaminants across the surface.

I don't mind a little marring in trade for much faster process with nanoskin. . .whether that be a towel, sponge or da pad.
 
Excellent job displaying "clay marring" Tato! To my eyes your pictures clearly showed the decon related defects despite the sea of swirls.

That car was a mess!
 
My thoughts:
MendhamCarSpa said:
My guess is the clay lube: Cheap clay lubes have silicone in them. you can determine this by looking at the ingredients. And guess what?... Silicone is the PRIMARY cause of holograms. I didn't learn this myself, but i 100% remember a reputable someone else saying it on these forums. Also, I do know that silicone is extremely hard and durable and does NOT break down microscopically like aluminum particles in polishes. I am 95% sure that is your problem. Unfortunately, clay lube isn't worth the cost (this is only my opinion), as *most* add silicone to the surface of your vehicle, and trust me, you don't want that. IF you ever use clay lube, be VERY sure to wash your car after claying to rid it of extant clay lubricant. If you'd like to contrive a marring-free finish via clay and polishing, use soapy water for the "lubricant", rinse the car totally, and then use your polish.

I firmly believe (my opinion) that your car was not marred by the pad, but by the clay lube.
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swanicyouth:
swanicyouth said:
I gotta tell ya, I don't believe it. With all due respect.
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I could definitely be wrong. I thought that the clay lube combined with the pad could mar only from my knowledge of the density and hardness of the element silicon and from someone else on these forums directly saying that clay lube/silicone can easily mar when used with a buffer.

Anyone else have thoughts on my idea of it being the clay lube?

Also pardon me, I don't know what nanoskin is. is it a jeweling pad?
 
MendhamCarSpa said:
My thoughts:


swanicyouth:


I could definitely be wrong. I thought that the clay lube combined with the pad could mar only from my knowledge of the density and hardness of the element silicon and from someone else on these forums directly saying that clay lube/silicone can easily mar when used with a buffer.

Anyone else have thoughts on my idea of it being the clay lube?

Also pardon me, I don't know what nanoskin is. is it a jeweling pad?
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Far from it.........Nanoskin Autoscrub Fine Foam Pad

Marring induced by clay and clay substitutes would NOT be caused by Silicones or jeweling pads.
 
spiralout462 said:
Far from it.........Nanoskin Autoscrub Fine Foam Pad

Marring induced by clay and clay substitutes would NOT be caused by Silicones or jeweling pads.
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And just to add that while soapy water may work as a lubricant for traditional clay, the clay alternatives like the nanoskin or speedy prep towel do not work the same.

Now I have used the mitts in a bucket of water with the proper dilution of a product to make it into a clay lube and that had worked just fine. From my findings a testing is that soapy water just does not provide the proper lubrication for the towels, pads,mitts, and sponges.
 
Tato said:
Some time ago I was writing on forum I never got terrible marring with nanoskin, and that was absolutely true. Generally, fine marring if any.

However, it happened. And it happened in a case I wasn't expecting (wanting) it to happen.

I was working on a trashed 2013 GM Cobalt in Solid Black color. I've tried to made my softer and best claying ever to avoid any marring since I was not willing to make the paint looks even worse.

I've used fine nanoskin mitt, plenty of lube, my best 'anti-marring' technique, see some shots what happened:

Before shot when car arrived (under the sun shot):
claymarbefore.png


After thorough was and gentle (yet effective) fine grade nanoskin (swirl finder light greatly reproduces defects spotted under the sun):


You can see the marring on the hood (slight in between horrible other defects):
hood-claymar.png


Apart from marring, I would not feel comfortable if letting you without any correction picture around this work...

Test spot on the hood


The rear side pillar that is on before pictures above, under same light


From slight light change in direction while inspecting for any flaw


More clay marring (plus defects) on passenger's side rear part, under swirl finder light:


Under work light:


Done.


The clay marring 'per se' went away after 1-2 passes... however, this paint needed almost 3 steps in every section to finish in an acceptable manner.

In conclusion, nanoskin marring may occur to some degree depending on paint, so it's good to always be aware of it's possibility.

It's ugly, but it's really easy to get rid of. Can't say the same about 'vandalism' cars suffers from 'cheap' (in quality, not in price) auto washes all around.

Hope that helps,

Kind Regards.
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Ok, so dont take this the wrong way, but I am really glad to see these pics... As that's pretty much how must of my car looked. So I dont think this was something that I did wrong... I did however find a little trick and that was to basically lift the polisher not so much that it was not touching, but just so there was not so much downward pressure.

Honestly I am not sure that I will use this nanoskin pad again... I corrected the paint using 4 passes with a orange hex pad using chemical guys V36, speed setting 6. Then I followed up with 4 passes with a black hex pad using chemical guys V38, speed setting 4.

If I am honest its not as "perfect" as I wanted it to be... mainly due to my lack of experience, but I feel as if the Nanoskin pad did not do me any favors.
 
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