Autogeek... Please carry some HD Products!

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Calendyr said:
Mathew Brodrick trainned a chip to fly in a movie I saw a lot of years back ;)
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Oh yeah! Ok that's makes 2 movies with flying monkeys...how much does that increase the chances of HD products coming to AG? It seems to me from my arithmetic class in grade school (I still wish I had graduated) that 2 x 0 is....still zero.



However, I have been wrong before.
 
who or what is HD? Sorry, haven't really spent enough time here yet!
 
Supergus1 said:
who or what is HD? Sorry, haven't really spent enough time here yet!
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'flavor of the month' for many. 'Go-to product' for some. 'never heard of it before' for you.

They have a full line of products between HD & 3D. Their polishes are generally well liked, and they are applied much different than other products (way less priming for HD products)

I am not a big fan of their cleaners & washes as virtually all contain sodium hydroxide, which is very harsh and just isn't necessary for most products. They do make their MSDS readily available which is commendable.
 
Audios S6 said:
'flavor of the month' for many. 'Go-to product' for some. 'never heard of it before' for you.

They have a full line of products between HD & 3D. Their polishes are generally well liked, and they are applied much different than other products (way less priming for HD products)

I am not a big fan of their cleaners & washes as virtually all contain sodium hydroxide, which is very harsh and just isn't necessary for most products. They do make their MSDS readily available which is commendable.
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thanks Audios!:xyxthumbs:
 
Audios S6 said:
Their polishes are generally well liked, and they are applied much different than other products (way less priming for HD products)
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Is it really different, or is it just the way we used to do it before everyone started priming foam pads like they were putting icing on a layer cake? I think it was the priming of MF pads that led to the way everyone seems to do it now with foam pads, buttering them up with their fingers.

When I started machine polishing, you put an X on the pad or a circle around the outer edge (since the DA action makes the polish migrate to the center) to "prime it" (or a smiley face if you were taking pictures :) ), then you followed up with a few dots/blobs later.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Is it really different, or is it just the way we used to do it before everyone started priming foam pads like they were putting icing on a layer cake? I think it was the priming of MF pads that led to the way everyone seems to do it now with foam pads, buttering them up with their fingers.

When I started machine polishing, you put an X on the pad or a circle around the outer edge (since the DA action makes the polish migrate to the center) to "prime it" (or a smiley face if you were taking pictures :) ), then you followed up with a few dots/blobs later.
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While I don't disagree with your method (or several other methods) I do prescribe to the KB method when I use meguiars or menzerna; and I think that is the generally accepted method....today. I have seen quite a few help threads recently with people trying to troubleshoot HD compounds and polishes, the common answer is....use less product, which is also evident in HD's videos.
 
Audios S6 said:
While I don't disagree with your method (or several other methods) I do prescribe to the KB method when I use meguiars or menzerna; and I think that is the generally accepted method....today.
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Now that you've said that, yes, you're right, the full coverage priming the pad started with the "Kevin Brown Method" which was intended to get rotary correction using a DA. (of course KB was also secretly testing MF pads at that time, which may be where he got the idea for his foam pad method) And I agree that is the generally accepted method today, I guess I was just saying that buffing your car still worked when we did it the "old" way or the "HD" way, and what percentage of cutting efficiency did we lose, 10%? 20%? That's easily made up by the more powerful machines we have today (GG, Flex, Rupes) vs. the old PC 7424.

Eh, I think I'm just old and cranky.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Now that you've said that, yes, you're right, the full coverage priming the pad started with the "Kevin Brown Method" which was intended to get rotary correction using a DA. (of course KB was also secretly testing MF pads at that time, which may be where he got the idea for his foam pad method) And I agree that is the generally accepted method today, I guess I was just saying that buffing your car still worked when we did it the "old" way or the "HD" way, and what percentage of cutting efficiency did we lose, 10%? 20%? That's easily made up by the more powerful machines we have today (GG, Flex, Rupes) vs. the old PC 7424.
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No argument from me. Before I learned about the kevin brown method, I was content with an X on the pad.

Setec Astronomy said:
Eh, I think I'm just old and cranky.
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No argument from me here either :laughing:
 
3D/HD is having a seminar this month in Fontana CA which is a city over to Corona CA. About 8 miles away so I do want to attend that, just to keep learning as much as possible.

I do have some HD products, (speed, polish) Just need to try them out.
I am going to be getting my hands on Adapt, which I told is going to be taking the place of HD Cut in the future and some tire dressing too lol. To add to my collection.

Being a free agent means I can try and document any product I want. Until the time comes that I am committed to one company. :D
 
From what I see nowadays, every product may have it's optimal 'priming the pad' technique.

To 'generalize', I tend to prime the whole pad when using SMAT products, but to use only few dots when using DAT products. If the pad feels 'hard to the touch', or is a brand new one, I may add a mist of QDetailer to soften the pad before adding drops.

This may not be a rule and is pad dependent (MF pads I tend to cover all fibers with product, and spread product on pad with a pad brush to get even coverage, also, not always).

What I see more critical than priming the pad, is what I would call 'priming the surface'.

That said, I see the surface properly covered (even distribution of product) with plenty product (not much, not little) more critical than priming the pad - I dab section, then do ~1 pass with no pressure and ~fast arm speed to spread evenly on that area.

Then I crank speed up and work the product I've spread on surface.

Fully priming the pad with DAT abrasives will give you less time running that pad needing more frequent switching to a new pad. That's because broken down abrasives will cake the pad much easier when using this 'enormous' quantity like priming the whole pad. Being it not possible to FULLY clean a pad in between sections, you may have a mix of partially and totally broken down abrasives, now with new abrasives you introduce when adding more product to the pad. This makes literally a salad of abrasives on the working pad.

For SMAT products, since the abrasives (theoretically) will not brake down and keep constant throughout the cycle, you can use even a spritz of water to 'reactivate' product and add just a few more to work next section.

Sure, it's always desirable to clean the pad often (generally after each section) because spent abrasives is not the only thing to cake up the pad, you have embedded contaminants / oxidation, and spent paint removed being accumulated on the pad.

Again, nothing said above is a rule, it's just a general way of thinking that may help taking decisions when working a polish.

Many other variables have to be taken into consideration, like size of pad, size of work area, etc.

In example, if I'm doing just spot correction, I may prime the pad 'Kevin Brown' way independently of product being used to get the pad seasoned for a spot correction. Again, not a rule, and it's a thing I may decide after analyzing whole work I pretend doing.

Kind Regards.
 
Tato said:
From what I see nowadays, every product may have it's optimal 'priming the pad' technique.
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I think maybe the most important thing about this whole discussion is that huge numbers of car enthusiasts are being educated, trained, and moving forward in a way that was unimaginable before the sharing of information enabled by the internet and forums like this.

20 years ago, what percentage of people who liked to wash their car ever used a machine? And most of them used a "waxer". But you can just see by the warehouse pictures at AG how many (serious) machines are getting out there in the hands of enthusiasts. Maybe civilization isn't doomed after all.
 
Audios S6 said:
'flavor of the month' for many. 'Go-to product' for some. 'never heard of it before' for you.

They have a full line of products between HD & 3D. Their polishes are generally well liked, and they are applied much different than other products (way less priming for HD products)

I am not a big fan of their cleaners & washes as virtually all contain sodium hydroxide, which is very harsh and just isn't necessary for most products. They do make their MSDS readily available which is commendable.
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no flavor of the month for me. HD dress has been my go to tire dressing for a while now (can be used on trim as well) and a little goes a long way (no sling IME). 2-3 sprays will do each tire and you can control the amount of gloss or matte finish on the amount used or by wiping it down some. HD polish is an excellent product (probably the most popular product they make) and finishes down amazing. HD Adapt is a compounding polish and is somewhere between let's say (for example) m105 & m205 and also finishes down well where an additional step may not be needed (pad selection can play big role for both products) in many cases. A lot of the HD products were field tested by some of the most high end talented detailers (in which you see on some of these online forums) and were tweaked according so on countless (negative and/or positive) feedback as many do this for a living and don't have time to waste if a product doesn't perform. they are also priced very reasonable as well. anyways, i know AG is very open (they listen) and i hope they will consider it, they carry so many other great brands and adding this would be a big plus...
 
silverfox said:
Just buy it directly from them. Goodness sake...nobody will know and I promise it won't hurt.
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There is another source for HD products rather than direct that has very low shipping rates.
 
We like to carry many product lines, and especially ones in high demand as no one wants a line sitting and collecting dust. Not all things are as easy as they should be and there are many reasons why we do not carry a brand, it can range widely! But the vendors we do partner with are very happy to be a part of the growing Autogeek team, take a look at Detail Fest and you will see the crazy love our vendors share with us, not to mention a fabulous time!! With the OP question now answered I will be closing this thread.

Detail on!!! :buffing:
 
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