Orange peel on new vehicle

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Hi I hope I'm not double posting I have a black 2014 Corolla with severe orange peel is there enough clear coat to get someone to wet sand and buff? Or am I stuck with it?
 
Only a paint thickness gauge can tell you how much total paint is on the car.

This includes e-coat, primer, base coat and clear coat

They are $159 on several e-sites

Lots of good reading on orange peel on this Forum. I would start be reviewing Mike Phillips work on paint thickness

Sanding OEM territory can be hazardous!
 
godfearingman said:
Hi I hope I'm not double posting
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Nope... not yet at least. I just replied to your intro thread....

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/introduce-yourself/83990-new-member-nc.html



godfearingman said:
I have a black 2014 Corolla with severe orange peel is there enough clear coat to get someone to wet sand and buff?

Or am I stuck with it?
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First, there's not a lot of clearcoat or thickness on a factory paint job to wet sand, cut and buff safely in my personal opinion.

Can it be done? You bet.

But you would need to find,

A: Someone that hangs out on a forum like this one so they are up to date with all the newest and best products like the 3M Trizact #3000 and #5000 sanding discs or CarPro Denim pads.


B: Someone really good at both sanding and buffing to do the job right and not make a mistake.
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The problem with sanding down the factory paint on your brand new Corolla is even if you find the right person to do the job and they do it without making a whoops or leaving sanding marks or holograms in the paint, the problem will be the original thin paint will now be even thinner and this puts it at risk to fail sooner down the road.

By the word fail I mean clearcoat failure.



Read through this article....


Wetsanding - Fresh Paint vs Factory Paint



Then find a 3M Post-it Note and feel it between your thumb and index finger like this,


Clearcoats are Scratch-Sensitive


The factory sprayed clear layer of paint on most new cars averages around 2 mils. That's thinner than the average post-it note.

Clearcoat_Paints_Are_Thin_01.jpg




The next time you see a post-it note... feel it between your fingers... this is usually all it takes to drive home the point as to how thin the paint is on your beautiful, shiny car.

Clearcoat_Paints_Are_Thin_02.jpg




Probably best just to learn how to properly take care of the paint that's on the car and safe wetsanding to remove orange peel for custom paint jobs as described in my first article I shared above....



:)
 
godfearingman said:
will waxing and keeping the car clean and everything keep the paint protected if I was to find someone to wet sand and buff my car?
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Yes and and waxing and keeping the car clean will keep the paint protected if you don't have someone sand the car.

If you really want to find someone to wetsand the brand new paint on your brand new car, start a thread with a title like this and see if you get any takers,


Pro Detailer in North Carolina to wet sand my Corolla


Because you can research a person via their posting history, that is to look up all their posts on this forum, it's pretty easy to find out if they have the experience to tackle this type of project.


:)
 
with mass production cars that have value-centric paint application techniques...i'd 100% recommend to settle for polished orange peel vs. trying to reduce it to any great degree and compromise the future.

i think bringing it down a little is fine, so the valleys aren't so far from the peaks, esp if it's extreme...but obviously i agree with the recommendation for multiple paint readings.
 
Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
Yes and and waxing and keeping the car clean will keep the paint protected if you don't have someone sand the car.

If you really want to find someone to wetsand the brand new paint on your brand new car, start a thread with a title like this and see if you get any takers,


Pro Detailer in North Carolina to wet sand my Corolla


Because you can research a person via their posting history, that is to look up all their posts on this forum, it's pretty easy to find out if they have the experience to tackle this type of project.


:)
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Ok thanks I'll do that where would I need to post it? I gotten a lot faster responses on here than I have another detailing forum that I'm not trying to bad mouth lol. I had a black 2010 fusion I traded on this corolla and it didn't have orange peel at all I've had this corolla a little over 7 months now is it too late to wet sand and buff? I hadn't noticed until I waxed my car a month or two ago and the dealership say's it's supposed to be like that and it's not orange peel said it's the texture of the paint by a lady in the service dept and the fixed operations director whatever that is said that it's rock/chip guard in the paint itself that's why it looks like that then calls me Friday saying it's the characteristic of the paint all I want is it look at my car at any angle and any lighting condition and it look clear and smooth.
 
godfearingman said:
Ok thanks I'll do that where would I need to post it? I gotten a lot faster responses on here than I have another detailing forum that I'm not trying to bad mouth lol. I had a black 2010 fusion I traded on this corolla and it didn't have orange peel at all I've had this corolla a little over 7 months now is it too late to wet sand and buff? I hadn't noticed until I waxed my car a month or two ago and the dealership say's it's supposed to be like that and it's not orange peel said it's the texture of the paint by a lady in the service dept and the fixed operations director whatever that is said that it's rock/chip guard in the paint itself that's why it looks like that then calls me Friday saying it's the characteristic of the paint all I want is it look at my car at any angle and any lighting condition and it look clear and smooth.
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where is the peel?
 
builthatch said:
where is the peel?
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all over the entire car but more noticeable on the sides I can post pictures of it you might have to zoom in a little to really notice but it's there I can look down the side of the car at a certain angle and lighting condition and it's wavy, cloudy and hazy not smooth and clear can't really capture it with a camera.
 
Godfearingman, I am in the middle of wet sanding my oem paint (dodge) right now. I'm doing it one panel at a time, and I've completed two panels so far. I'm using 1500 grit megs unigrit disks, followed by 3000 grit disks; followed by heavy cut compound on a MF Pad, then a nice finishing medium-to- light polish on a black pad.
I would say, yes the clear is thinner and it does remove some of the "depth" look, but the clear's orange peel in gone. It was not as delicate of a procedure mentally I made it out to be. Megs makes really nice sanding disks. I believe with some care, it would be really hard to screw it up. Stop often, and check your work. The unigrit pads are not like a buzz saw, they are gentle, yet effective. Like Mike said, Yes my chances of cc failure are higher now, but the car is in the right hands now to have the cc taken care of. I say, go for it.
 
expdetailing said:
Godfearingman, I am in the middle of wet sanding my oem paint (dodge) right now. I'm doing it one panel at a time, and I've completed two panels so far. I'm using 1500 grit megs unigrit disks, followed by 3000 grit disks; followed by heavy cut compound on a MF Pad, then a nice finishing medium-to- light polish on a black pad.
I would say, yes the clear is thinner and it does remove some of the "depth" look, but the clear's orange peel in gone. It was not as delicate of a procedure mentally I made it out to be. Megs makes really nice sanding disks. I believe with some care, it would be really hard to screw it up. Stop often, and check your work. The unigrit pads are not like a buzz saw, they are gentle, yet effective. Like Mike said, Yes my chances of cc failure are higher now, but the car is in the right hands now to have the cc taken care of. I say, go for it.
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well I've never done anything like that I've done waxing and everything myself but nothing as in depth as removing orange peel plus I don't have a garage to work in so chances for contamination are going to way higher along with chances of messing up my paint job. If I had a garage I might try to but I don't I always wax my car every 2-3 months and wash it at least 2-3 days a week so it should stay protected. But nervous about trying since I don't have a garage or carport or anything
 
Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
This forum group tends to have the most eyes in it....

Auto Detailing 101




No need to say the name...

One thing for sure though.... this forum rocks!


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Thanks I just posted it hopefully I can find someone to help me I hate looking at my car and it be cloudy, hazy and rippled looking instead of smooth and black shows up every little imperfection
 
Just saw your other "wet-sanding thread"
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...ailer-north-carolina-wet-sand-my-corolla.html

•I'll post here that, IMHO:
-Wet sanding is absolutely the most effective means for removing surface paint defects.
-The caveat is that it should only be performed by someone with proper training/experience/tools for this type of "paint correction" on OEM BC/CC paint-systems!

-That's why I'm glad you're going this Professional-route to have your vehicle's paint thusly "corrected".


•I also think that personalities has a lot to do with wet-sanding OEM BC/CC paint-systems.
-First is your displeasure in the way your nearly-new vehicle looks:
godfearingman said:
I hate looking at my car and it be cloudy, hazy and rippled looking instead of smooth and black shows up every little imperfection
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-Secondly: Most of the Professional Detailers I've known over the years approach the paint on every car with the same intolerance that you have for paint imperfections...
That is what makes them geniuses at their skilled trade!!

Best of Luck!!

Bob
 
FUNX725 said:
Just saw your other "wet-sanding thread"
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...ailer-north-carolina-wet-sand-my-corolla.html

•I'll post here that, IMHO:
-Wet sanding is absolutely the most effective means for removing surface paint defects.
-The caveat is that it should only be performed by someone with proper training/experience/tools for this type of "paint correction" on OEM BC/CC paint-systems!

-That's why I'm glad you're going this Professional-route to have your vehicle's paint thusly "corrected".


•I also think that personalities has a lot to do with wet-sanding OEM BC/CC paint-systems.
-First is your displeasure in the way your nearly-new vehicle looks:

-Secondly: Most of the Professional Detailers I've known over the years approach the paint on every car with the same intolerance that you have for paint imperfections...
That is what makes them geniuses at their skilled trade!!

Best of Luck!!

Bob
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:iagree::dblthumb2: Thanks I already know I've never done it and I'm not ruining the paint on a car with less than 6,100 miles on it with a 60,000 mile bumper to bumper warranty I haven't gotten any replies about a detailer around here to do it for me hopefully I'll get some I've talked to the dealership numerous times about it and there giving me multiple different reasons why my paint is like this and they keep saying it's not orange peel.
 
godfearingman said:
I haven't gotten any replies about a detailer around here to do it for me hopefully I'll get some
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Give it some more time...
There's plenty of AGO members that live in and around North Carolina.

If need be:
We'll keep bumping that thread.

Bob
 
I believe forum member Bunky lives in Raleigh, North Carolina. He's pretty sharp and may be able to help you out or at least give you a good recommendation.
 
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