Opticoat 2.0 discontinued, OptiCoat Pro sees price increase

[StuDLei]

The average age of cars in the USA is 11.4 years

The new warranty does not seem like a real seeking point now

Go take a drive to the grocery store and tell me how many cars you see on the way are at least 11.4 years old. I'm guessing where you live, it would be a very low number, same as it is here in lowly Omaha, NE.

The vast majority of cars would fit the warranty criteria.

 

[allenk4]

Go take a drive to the grocery store and tell me how many cars you see on the way are at least 11.4 years old. I'm guessing where you live, it would be a very low number, same as it is here in lowly Omaha, NE.

The vast majority of cars would fit the warranty criteria.

Maybe it is just a misunderstanding of what average is?

They look at all registered vehicles. Some are new, some are old. Take the total age of all registered vehicles and divide by the total number of registered vehicles


I don't want to second guess your grocery store parking lot observation, but the statistic I quoted is from R.L. Polk it is quoted in this article from Auto News:

http://www.autonews.com/article/20130806/RETAIL/130809922?template=mobile&X-IgnoreUserAgent=1

 

[allenk4]

The point of the post was that the 2 year warranty on a vehicle that is 6-9 years old, probably does not justify the higher cost for OC Pro versus Gloss Coat, which also promises 2 years

I thought that would be inferred by the readers, given previous comments within the thread

 

[Rsurfer]

The point of the post was that the 2 year warranty on a vehicle that is 6-9 years old, probably does not justify the higher cost for OC Pro versus Gloss Coat, which also promises 2 years

I thought that would be inferred by the readers, given previous comments within the thread

Are you saying that OCP is now warranted for 2 years on cars that are 6-9 years old?

 

[tdekany]

The point of the post was that the 2 year warranty on a vehicle that is 6-9 years old, probably does not justify the higher cost for OC Pro versus Gloss Coat, which also promises 2 years

I thought that would be inferred by the readers, given previous comments within the thread

Gloss coat is not warrantied, Applying Opti Coat pro to a 10 year old car which is properly prepped, will last as long as the car itself. Not so with Gloss coat.

 

[tdekany]

Are you saying that OCP is now warranted for 2 years on cars that are 6-9 years old?

I think you are over thinking this. Before the mandatory warranty, there was no warranty, even on a brand new car. That doesn't mean that the coating isn't going to stay on the car past 2 years.

 

[Rsurfer]

I think you are over thinking this. Before the mandatory warranty, there was no warranty, even on a brand new car. That doesn't mean that the coating isn't going to stay on the car past 2 years.

I'm talking about Opti Coat Pro..to give a five year warranty, doesn't the car have to be 5 years and newer?

 

[allenk4]

Are you saying that OCP is now warranted for 2 years on cars that are 6-9 years old?

Correct:

5 year warranty on cars less than 6 years old

2 year warranty on cars 6-9 years old

0 year warranty on cars 10 years or older

 

[allenk4]

Gloss coat is not warrantied, Applying Opti Coat pro to a 10 year old car which is properly prepped, will last as long as the car itself. Not so with Gloss coat.

I did not say that GC is warrantied for two years

I said that OPT "promises" it will last two years


Point is, if OPT effectively makes the same claim with OC Pro and GC when applied to a car that is 6 years old or older...I don't see an advantage to going w/ OCP


If as you say, OCP will last the life of the car; why change the warranty?

Curious

 

[tdekany]

I did not say that GC is warrantied for two years

I said that OPT "promises" it will last two years


Point is, if OPT effectively makes the same claim with OC Pro and GC when applied to a car that is 6 years old or older...I don't see an advantage to going w/ OCP


If as you say, OCP will last the life of the car; why change the warranty?

Curious

Sounds like you are trying to learn everything about each product before you make a decision between going with GC or OCP. I'd suggest to go with OCP. That is what is on our brand new car.

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And everything else is also coated on the inside

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If as you say, OCP will last the life of the car; why change the warranty?

I am pretty sure you are intelligent enough to figure that one out. Do you get powertrain warranty if you do the maintenance? Of course not. Same with exterior protection. No matter how much you train/educate the customer, for most, how they actually treat the finish is very different from how the paint "should" be maintained. Even with all the abuse that most cars go through, Optimum is confident enough that for 5 years the coating will hold up enough to their standards. Either way, (unless you have the coating compounded off) the coating is on the finish. You did read Dr G's post above right?

Don't forget to post pictures of your freshly coated car!!!rops:

 

[Flash Gordon]

@ David from Optimum - If you really believe in your product and insist that it is Permanent, why limit the warranty to 5 years?

Call Dr G - ask him how long OCP or 2.0 last on the paint. He will tell you permanent.

I'm sure he's about as interested in me calling him as I am him calling me ...

 

[tdekany]

@ David from Optimum - If you really believe in your product and insist that it is Permanent, why limit the warranty to 5 years?





I'm sure he's about as interested in me calling him as I am him calling me ...

You would be surprised. Why wouldn't he be interested in talking with you?

 

[tdekany]

You are local to him? Why not visit?

 

[builthatch]

@ David from Optimum - If you really believe in your product and insist that it is Permanent, why limit the warranty to 5 years?

his description above explains it.

the top coats aka clear coats we polish (and coat) on our cars (regarded as a permanent coating as per industry standards) don't have a lifetime warranty either.

something everyone HAS to remember is this isn't some hack in his garage coming up with these chemicals and making outrageous claims. he's a polymer chemistry PhD and paint/coating industry veteran with a real lab and real standards. not detailing product standards (there are none lol), paint/coating industry standards. everything he releases goes through these industry-standard tests en route to the final product being released. that is why he explained what he did and cited why he calls it permanent. he's not taking someone's product from Asia and hyping it up. he makes it, tests it and knows exactly what it's capable of.

You are local to him? Why not visit?

i was going to say the same thing lol

 

[allenk4]

Sounds like you are trying to learn everything about each product before you make a decision between going with GC or OCP. I'd suggest to go with OCP. That is what is on our brand new car.


I am pretty sure you are intelligent enough to figure that one out. Do you get powertrain warranty if you do the maintenance? Of course not. Same with exterior protection. No matter how much you train/educate the customer, for most, how they actually treat the finish is very different from how the paint "should" be maintained. Even with all the abuse that most cars go through, Optimum is confident enough that for 5 years the coating will hold up enough to their standards. Either way, (unless you have the coating compounded off) the coating is on the finish. You did read Dr G's post above right?

Don't forget to post pictures of your freshly coated car!!!rops:

- I am not trying to decide between OCP and GC. Would never pay an installer to apply a coating

- OCP has maintenance requirements as part of their Warranty requirements, so I don't understand the analogy in your 2nd paragraph

- I did read Dr. G's post in this thread as well as his post on the OPT Forum



My suspicion of all claims from OPT regarding their coatings comes from the 2 micron thickness claim for OC2. I feel like they know that the product was never 2 microns. They have denied to me in an email that the ever claimed 2 microns:

"Optimum has never stated that Opti-Coat adds 2 microns to paint."

This statement can easily be found on their own website

LINK

 

[allenk4]

something everyone HAS to remember is this isn't some hack in his garage coming up with these chemicals and making outrageous claims. he's a polymer chemistry PhD and paint/coating industry veteran with a real lab and real standards. not detailing product standards (there are none lol), paint/coating industry standards. everything he releases goes through these industry-standard tests en route to the final product being released.

I am very interested in these "paint/coating industry standards"

Specifically, how they are applied to the claims made by OPT for their coating longevity and thickness

This is probably the one that is most directly related to longevity:

D1014 - 09 Standard Practice for Conducting Exterior Exposure Tests of Paints and Coatings on Metal Substrates


Sounds like you have a lot of inside information

 

[tdekany]

- I am not trying to decide between OCP and GC. Would never pay an installer to apply a coating

- OCP has maintenance requirements as part of their Warranty requirements, so I don't understand the analogy in your 2nd paragraph

- I did read Dr. G's post in this thread as well as his post on the OPT Forum



My suspicion of all claims from OPT regarding their coatings comes from the 2 micron thickness claim for OC2. I feel like they know that the product was never 2 microns. They have denied to me in an email that the ever claimed 2 microns:

"Optimum has never stated that Opti-Coat adds 2 microns to paint."

This statement can easily be found on their own website

LINK

When I am suspicious of a product's claim that I have no interest in, I move on.

Why not do the same?

 

[tdekany]

I am very interested in these "paint/coating industry standards"

Specifically, how they are applied to the claims made by OPT for their coating longevity and thickness

CQuartz FINEST is an evolution in ceramic nanotech paint coatings.

CQuartz FINEST is the most exclusive surface protection in the world!
Only available to selected detailers, Finest was designed specifically for those with discerning tastes for its exceedingly rich & glossy finish, as well as its ability to resist the elements and protect like no other.

While its beauty is undeniable, that is only the start! Long term protection of that beauty and resistance to the environment is equally important. Unlike lesser products, FINEST resists dirt, dust, and the environment.

One of the most important features in keeping your vehicle clean is the ability of the protective layer to release water. Finest features an industry leading low sliding angle which allows water drops to release, causing a hydrophobic "self-cleaning" affect.

Utilizing a proprietary condensed nanotech material, FINEST adds a measurable 2~3µm tough, rich, high gloss "glass" layer, which protects the surface beneath and resists dirt, brake dust, bugs, bird bombs, and other conditions for a minimum of two years. To experience the evolution in automotive refinement demand FINEST from your nearest Authorized Installer today!

i don't see you going after CQ, or am I missing your other posts?:dblthumb2::xyxthumbs:rops:Feed back please

 

[Belphegor]

I stopped by OPT today for template first time. They're only about a half mile from my shop and I thought I'd check the place out. I met Maggie, the only person I saw there during my visit, and she was a very pleasant and knowledgeable person, and was enthusiastic about Optimum products. I went there out of curiosity, and she took me straight in back and showed me the warehouse and went over a lot of their products. I asked about 2.0 and Opti gloss, and all I could really get out of her was that it would last 2 years according to their tests. I was told they changed their formula to offer a more user friendly product.

I'm not knowledgeable about coatings or their supposed longevity or ease of application, and I didn't care to press her for information too hard as this was my first visit and I plan on buying product directly from them from now on. If anyone has any questions they would like me to pass along during my next visit, I would gladly do so. Or I could even share a link to this thread if it will help clarify any ponders you AutoGeekers may have.

 

[allenk4]

i don't see you going after CQ, or am I missing your other posts?:dblthumb2::xyxthumbs:rops:Feed back please

As Indicated, I am not interested in products that require Authorized Dealer Installation

The Consumer version of CQF (CQuartz) claims 0.7 µm ~1.5 µm

The math for this claim is plausible with their 30mL bottle of product