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WATERLESS WASH VS WATER WASH

i am going to post the pros and cons i see about both waterless and water wash techniques
feel free to add your opinions i will also post questions i have in mind in regaurds to both as a business.

pros of waterless

1, cheaper to start out (dont need water containors/powerwasher/generator
2, i beleave it leaves a cleaner surface (dont have to hurry and rinse befor dries)
3, you dont need a water source (no hose to drag around.
4, saves time no need to dry (wont leave streaks and water marks)
5, you can advertise a eco friendly no need for water source and loud equipment to customers.

cons of waterless

1, customers may feel scepical of new way of cleaning.
2, need alot of rags on a dirtier surface.
3, hard to reach some areas of car.
4, hard to reach in crevises/wheel spokes/wheel wells/behind some auto parts.
5, biggest issue for me it dont contain a wax remover.

pros of water

1, removes heavy dirt road grime/salt/mud
2, dont need many rags
3, soap is cheap.
4, reaches behind parts and crevises (hard to reach areas)
5, many varietys (wax removing/bug and tar)
6, most important to me i can use products such as a wax remover/prep agent that needs to be rinsed.

cons of water

1, need water source (drag hose around/soak up customers propery
2, leave puddles if no drain and harful chemicals (may need permit in residential areas)
3, need to dry (may leave water marks streaks)
4, takes more time
5, reusing dirty bucket water/might miss a spot due to visability of suds

so which that being said my question i am asking my self is which approach should i take
if i am going to start a auto detailing business.

i like a product made by chemical guys called ecosmart waterless.... but my isse is it has wax in it,
when i detail a car i will wash clay then buff/polish so and and so on i do not want no wax on the car,
it amazes me a company with so many products dont make a product strictly for detailers
it would be great for a product like ecosmart with NO wax in it, they told me its ok because claying removes wax?
but why would i take time to add wax then work extra hard to clay it off ? makes no sense to me.
now theres products by griots that is a paint prep but you need to use water so why go waterless then use water ? makes no sense ?
im sure there is plenty other waterless products but all that i read said it isnt made to replace a reg wash.

so what are your thoughts on this ? or am i over looking it ? is it that nesasery to start with a wax free car or will buffing remove it ?
from a business stand point what are your thoughts is it worth going waterless or old fashion water ?
 
For your cons of waterless numbers 3 and 4 I don't think are true.

You can always take the middle ground and use a rinseless product like Optimum No Rinse.

If you use Ecosmart, you can also use that as your clay lubricant.
 
AeroCleanse said:
For your cons of waterless numbers 3 and 4 I don't think are true.

You can always take the middle ground and use a rinseless product like Optimum No Rinse.

If you use Ecosmart, you can also use that as your clay lubricant.
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so if your cleaning wheels and you spray with ecosmart , you dont t hink it will be kind of hard to clean some of the rims and behind it ? where as with water you can spray it ?
 
joegralto said:
pros of waterless

1, cheaper to start out (dont need water containors/powerwasher/generator

What percentage of the time do you NOT have access to the Customers garden hose

2, i beleave it leaves a cleaner surface (dont have to hurry and rinse befor dries)

Cleaner in what way? Done properly, both techniques will leave the paint clean. In my opinion, a hose does a better job on cracks, crevices, wheel wells, etc

3, you dont need a water source (no hose to drag around.

Refer to comment after #1

4, saves time no need to dry (wont leave streaks and water marks)

5, you can advertise a eco friendly no need for water source and loud equipment to customers.

How much water is used doing an extra wash load of MF towels vs the amount of water used in a 2BMFeed back please

cons of waterless

1, customers may feel scepical of new way of cleaning.

Maybe. Has a Customer expressed this sentiment to you?

2, need alot of rags on a dirtier surface.

Agreed

3, hard to reach some areas of car.

Agreed

4, hard to reach in crevises/wheel spokes/wheel wells/behind some auto parts.

Agreed

5, biggest issue for me it dont contain a wax remover.

Which water wash products do you believe contain "wax remover?

Why do you want to remove the wax?

pros of water

1, removes heavy dirt road grime/salt/mud

Yes

2, dont need many rags

Yes

3, soap is cheap.

Inexpensive compared the waterless...it can be

4, reaches behind parts and crevises (hard to reach areas)

Yes

5, many varietys (wax removing/bug and tar)

Which "wax removing" car soaps are you using?

6, most important to me i can use products such as a wax remover/prep agent that needs to be rinsed.

Which products are you using for this step that need to be rinsed off?

cons of water

1, need water source (drag hose around/soak up customers propery

2, leave puddles if no drain and harful chemicals (may need permit in residential areas)

3, need to dry (may leave water marks streaks)

4, takes more time

That can be argued

5, reusing dirty bucket water/might miss a spot due to visability of suds

Why would you reuse "dirty bucket water" ? If you are doing a proper 2BM, the water in your soap bucket should stay pretty clean. Read Mike Phillips work in How to section linked on the header of this page.

so which that being said my question i am asking my self is which approach should i take
if i am going to start a auto detailing business.

i like a product made by chemical guys called ecosmart waterless.... but my isse is it has wax in it,
when i detail a car i will wash clay then buff/polish so and and so on i do not want no wax on the car,
it amazes me a company with so many products dont make a product strictly for detailers
it would be great for a product like ecosmart with NO wax in it, they told me its ok because claying removes wax?
but why would i take time to add wax then work extra hard to clay it off ? makes no sense to me.
now theres products by griots that is a paint prep but you need to use water so why go waterless then use water ? makes no sense ?
im sure there is plenty other waterless products but all that i read said it isnt made to replace a reg wash.

so what are your thoughts on this ? or am i over looking it ? is it that nesasery to start with a wax free car or will buffing remove it ?
from a business stand point what are your thoughts is it worth going waterless or old fashion water ?
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im just posting a question sorry i am not a forum pro and my writing i dont have degrees for thank you i guess. and yes you have to wash towels but i am not talking about how much water i am using in the world , we have plenty of water not my concern when i say waterless or save water i mean for that job, i dont have to have water all over a customers property
 
CG do have a waterless without wax.

And using ECOsmart as clay lube would be a waste of an expensive product IMO.
 
which of there waterless product is without wax ? i emailed them , they said use clay bar to remove wax left behind from ecosmart which is kind of unprofessional if you ask me if your a company based on supplying detailors you should have a product made .
 
KMdef9 said:
CG customer service stinks, but claying will remove wax.

As far as products go:

Chemical Guys WAC_107 - Go Green Waterless Car Detailing System (1 Gal)
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  • A complete wash system without water
  • Eco safe and friendly waterless wash
  • Delivers a brilliant shine in seconds
  • Revolutionary waterless wash, wax, polish and sealant in one:nomore:
  • Cleans, emulsifies and lifts, dirt, water spots, grease oxidation and contamination
  • Non-stick UV all-weather protection and water beading
  • Also available in a 16 ounce size
 
Meguiar's D114 Rinse Free Express Wash
contains no Waxes.

Claying might remove Waxes...
Polishing will remove Waxes!!

Bob
 
FUNX725 said:
Meguiar's D114 Rinse Free Express Wash
contains no Waxes.

Claying might remove Waxes...
Polishing will remove Waxes!!

Bob
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thanks for feed back im sure theres plenty products that will remove wax but whyyy put waxxxx in the dam cleaner lol atleast make a non wax version since buyers will be detailing
 
With some shampoos, they can dry on the surface, that way you can just rinse a section at a time to avoid water spots.
 
joegralto said:
thanks for feed back im sure theres plenty products that will remove wax but whyyy put waxxxx in the dam cleaner lol atleast make a non wax version since buyers will be detailing
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because some people wash their car once a week, and when they wash, they want to leave behind a little protection so they can skip the wax once every 3 weeks or so. and go once every few months instead.

it's mostly preference. some people prefer to completely strip wax before applying new, and others don't give a hoot and just top a topper with a topping
 
I like Ecosmart for touch ups and Optimum No Rinse for dirtier cars. I hate puling out the hose and wasting water.
 
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