Pinnacle Paintwork Cleansing Lotion

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The description for Pinnacle Paintwork Cleansing Lotion says:

gentle chemical cleaners, and micro-fine fillers to polish your car without abrasives
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Would appreciate an explanation of the apparently contradictory terms used above: "gentle" vs "cleaners", and "fillers that polish" vs "without abrasives".

Better yet, would be nice if there were photographs -- similar to those in this article by David Ghodoussi -- that would show the surface just before and just after the use of Paintwork Cleansing Lotion.

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Referencing the linked article:

Thank Dr. G for the advances OPT has made in the Consumer Coating Market

I do not trust the Marketing Arm of OPT at all

It is disingenuous to suggest that Meguiar's #7 Show Car Glaze when properly applied will put swirl marks in your paint

#7 instructions indicate application using a terry towel. If used improperly, you could indeed scratch your finish with a terry towel...it has nothing to do with the #7

Why is OPT using #7 to representative traditional waxes anyway. It is a glaze

OPT has good products and don't need to exaggerate or mislead. Maybe they hired their Marketing Team away from Chemical Guys?


2 microns with 10mL.. my rear end
 
Polish is a Marketing Term that is used a lot of ways

Some people use the terms polish and wax interchangeable


Naming of automotive products is strange:

Wolfgang Finishing Glaze 3.0 is actually a polish containing abrasives and it is not used as a glaze
 
sg. said:
The description for Pinnacle Paintwork Cleansing Lotion says:

Would appreciate an explanation of the apparently contradictory terms used above: "gentle" vs "cleaners", and "fillers that polish" vs "without abrasives".

Better yet, would be nice if there were photographs -- similar to those in this article by David Ghodoussi -- that would show the surface just before and just after the use of Paintwork Cleansing Lotion.
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Part of your confusion may be just focusing on some words that resonate with you rather than absorbing the full context of the entire sentence. For example:

"fillers that polish" closely emulates this phrase in the ad... "uses a combination of gloss-enhancing oils, gentle chemical cleaners, and micro-fine fillers to polish your car without abrasives."

So the context here is that oils + chemical cleaners + filers = "polish". They are certainly defining the word in a unique manner. I use PCL and I like it a lot. I also tend to think of this product as a cleaning product moreso than a polishing product. To each his own.
 
Gentle vs harsh. Meaning just enough to get the job done vs. overkill to get the job done. Like using an abrasive polish instead of a compound because that's all that is needed. Cleaners can be gentle. I'd take Palmolive over lye soap to wash my hands every time.

"Fillers that polish" is an incorrect juxtaposition of the words from the original statement that do in fact change the meaning. It says "fillers to polish your car without abrasives".

Polish in the latter original instance is an action upon the vehicle, not a process of the product.

In your rewording of the original statement you imply the product polishes without abrasives and that is an incorrect assumption that the act of polishing cannot be completed without abrasives.

If you believe that the term polish must mean some form of leveling paint via use of an abrasive product, then the pinnacle product doesn't meet your somewhat narrow and limited definition, but the act of polishing is very commonly interchangeable with terms like buffing or waxing.

You've got two separate threads going about this, and by the tone of the writing, it appears that you're on some sort of witch hunt our mythbuster type expedition here with the pinnacle paint work cleanser firmly in your crosshairs.

Perhaps you should simply state your problem with the product or is claims without beating around the bush, as it were.
 
It is a great product IMO when using as pre-wax specially if your plan is using Pinnacle Souveran Wax for protection, it does bright the paint, it cleans very well and smooth the finish of the clear cloat for a great finish. I love it and works wonders IMO.
 
allenk4 said:
Referencing the linked article:

Thank Dr. G for the advances OPT has made in the Consumer Coating Market

I do not trust the Marketing Arm of OPT at all

It is disingenuous to suggest that Meguiar's #7 Show Car Glaze when properly applied will put swirl marks in your paint

#7 instructions indicate application using a terry towel. If used improperly, you could indeed scratch your finish with a terry towel...it has nothing to do with the #7

Why is OPT using #7 to representative traditional waxes anyway. It is a glaze

OPT has good products and don't need to exaggerate or mislead. Maybe they hired their Marketing Team away from Chemical Guys?


2 microns with 10mL.. my rear end
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Article is 10 years old so it could be when they were initially starting out or maybe there was some reformultions in the products used or possibly a typo?
 
GettingStarted said:
Article is 10 years old so it could be when they were initially starting out or maybe there was some reformultions in the products used or possibly a typo?
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So their promotional tactics have been consistent for a decade
 
Dunno. It makes sense to me. It cleans your paint chemically, fills some defects via a glaze component - with no abrasive. The term "polish" can mean anything from removing defects to hiding them.
 
I have some and have never used it

I have heard of read that it can be effective for cleaning around script emblems to remove TOGW and accumulated dirt

As I understand it, you just glob it on, massage into the nooks, let is dwell, agitate and rinse

Emblems are always frustrating when you can't remove them to polish behind

They look fine from 2-3 feet, but try taking a close-up photo with a flash...they always look terrible


Does anyone have any Secrets?
 
I have been searching for a panel wipe type product to thoroughly cleans the surface before Coating applications. One major issue I have is that almost always I am doing a Black Car. Never done a yellow, grey, maroon, etc.... On Black I keep having an issue with micro marring. Paint is perfect, then a panel wipe product (either IPA, GTechniq panel wipe, PCL, etc...) and a light microfiber cloth to remove or wipe with. Every time there is small micro marring that occurs. Even talked with Mike Phillips about it. I have just resorted to always washing vehicle after all polishing with Dawn x2 to remove all oils. Then air dry before Coatings or LSP's. Seems to work well and that wash right after is needed to remove any dust anyway. But thought this was a great product so got samples and it did the same thing. I have switched up MF towels, and tried everything, but same results. Just my experience with it. Black it appears is the only color along with Dark Blue that the micro marring shows. I am sure its still there on white, red and others but just not visible.
 
•To make heads or tails of this, IMO:
-You're going to have to put names/types of the "fillers" that are used in the this particular car-care product.

Here's a few names/synonyms of "fillers":
-calcium carbonate, diatomaceous earth (DE), clay, mica,
kaolinite, kaolin clay, calcined kaolin clay, and feldspar.

•Although the above "fillers" may not hold the same
distinction as "sized milled-abrasives" that's used for compounding/polishing purposes...
-Can these "fillers" not also be abrasive substances---abrasive substances that will, among other things: enhance vehicles' paint's gloss, as would many abrasive polishes?


RE: 8X...Dr. G
•It's been mentioned before that the tools to obtain such photos are readily available at many retailers...
even Wally World.

•Someday, to REALLY see what the heck is going on
with vehicles' topmost film-coat:
-Look at it under a 30X magnification.
-These magnifiers are also available at a variety of stores.


Bob
 
Velocitybts said:
On Black I keep having an issue with micro marring. Paint is perfect, then a panel wipe product (either IPA, GTechniq panel wipe, PCL, etc...) and a light microfiber cloth to remove or wipe with. Every time there is small micro marring that occurs.
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That is a good observation. JunkMan2000 demonstrates this phenomenon as follows (and later offers his solution):

Note: links to video below have been inserted as html code because when the links were embedded in the "usual way" the video always started at time 0 and I wanted the video to start by jumping to the time of interest. To watch the video, please copy-and-paste the specified http addresses.

1) Before: perfect black paint (jumps to 2m 10s)
HTML: 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDevg-0x0jI&t=2m10s
2) Perfect paint covered with very fine dust
HTML: 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDevg-0x0jI&t=6m50s
3) Minute marring after a wipe with lots of fluid
HTML: 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqdjRwsXoOM&t=1m30s
JunkMan2000 then goes on to demonstrate his method for removing such fine dust without marring the paint -- the "after video" for his method shows no marring.
 
....... ^^^ .......​

[ame="http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RmwqnqL3Hbg"]Isn't that Special - YouTube[/video]

Bob
 
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