Has Modern Compounds and Finishing Polishes Made Medium Cut Polishes Obsolet?

Agreed to all points however going back to Zub's original question and as a point of clarification, i think the role of the "middle" polish between the wonderful compounds we have now and a final buff out may be diminished almost to the point of obsolesence.

But are they threatened altogether? Not in my opinion as they still have a role as minor corrective 2 steps or even 1 steps that finish down nicely.
 
Soon we will have AIO's if not already WG Uber AIO/Menz 3 in 1 that have serious cut and months sealing durability.
 
I recently tried Uber and I found it much faster and easier to use than Megs 105 and Ultimate Compound. Not only that but it finished great. In the future if it is just light swirls, I will first try MEGs 205 on a test spot. If that does not do it I will pull out the Uber.
 
dlc95 said:
Mike Phillips did a great job with some m86, and it could have been a great, insightful thread, if not for a couple of nitpicking bozos that ruined it, and got it locked up.
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I don't remember the thread you describe?



dlc95 said:
M86 is designed for rotary use, but I believe Mike used it with a da.

Because I only use that type of machine these days, I was especially interested in their performance together.
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Yep... we used the M86 the wrong way... :D


I found this thread where I discussed foam versus fiber pads to some length and it has pictures of the red Viper we used the M86 on and the very first generation Meguiar's Microfiber Pads. This was way before they were launched as the system you all know today. These pads were actually pads used at the OEM and I think the version Claude Sevigny designed.

See and read post #7

What Happened? Meguiars Microfiber vs Rupes Foam Pads

And there's before pictures of this Viper....


M86 and a vintage microfiber pads

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spence said:
I recently tried Uber and I found it much faster and easier to use than Megs 105 and Ultimate Compound. Not only that but it finished great. In the future if it is just light swirls, I will first try MEGs 205 on a test spot. If that does not do it I will pull out the Uber.
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Please expand on this

Were you using the same pad and technique with all three products?

M105 and Ultimate Compound should cut much faster that any AIO
 
spence said:
I recently tried Uber and I found it much faster and easier to use than Megs 105 and Ultimate Compound. Not only that but it finished great. In the future if it is just light swirls, I will first try MEGs 205 on a test spot. If that does not do it I will pull out the Uber.
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I have to agree with you. While doing my last black car I tried both the Meg's and Wolfgang.

They both get the job done and look good but the Wolfgang finishes, a little easier, with the clearest gloss.

I would have to pick the Menzerna line as the best of all. That being said the very best gloss I have found is to use Ultimate Quick Wax as the last step.

I have been testing this to satisfy my own curiosity for several months and UQW it the highest gloss final product that I have used so far, and the gloss seems to increase with each use.
 
Curious about comparing an AIO vs. Compounds, they are designed to do different things

Each should be used to fulfill different objectives as relates to time allocated for the job, level of defect correction expected, etc
 
allenk4 said:
Please expand on this

Were you using the same pad and technique with all three products?

M105 and Ultimate Compound should cut much faster that any AIO
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This is the problem I had initially with the Wolfgang Uber AIO name. They already have an Uber Compound in the Wolfgang line-up that affectionately got called "the Uber" a lot on the forum. With this new Uber AIO, the possibility of confusion of the two products is high.

I'm assuming he was referring to uber compound.
 
allenk4 said:
Curious about comparing an AIO vs. Compounds, they are designed to do different things

Each should be used to fulfill different objectives as relates to time allocated for the job, level of defect correction expected, etc
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I think both of those posters were referring to Wolfgang Uber Compound, which would certainly be a valid comparison against M105 and UC.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
I think both of those posters were referring to Wolfgang Uber Compound, which would certainly be a valid comparison against M105 and UC.
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That makes a lot more sense

Should we agree to call the Compound "Uber" and the AIO, "Uber AIO"?
 
Which ever way we look at it guys, detailing is becoming faster and easier to achieve the desired results and with guys like AutoGeek we will always be at the top of our game. Machines, pads, polishes are all evolving, exciting times...
 
A lot of really good info in here, and a nice thread topic :dblthumb2:

Here is my view.

Firstly, the test spot should be at the forefront of everyone's mind when selecting a product/pad combo. It is very easy to walk into a detail with preconceived ideas about your plan of attack only to have your test spot turn that on its head.

So, if you need to let the paint guide you on what combo to use, and you logically intend to start with the least aggressive combo and work your way up until you remove just enough paint, but not more, then you need a 'range' of products. Pads which increase in aggressiveness, and polishes that do too, so logically there is always going to be a need for these various 'grades' of polish.

Perhaps PF2500 does sit too close to SF4000 in terms of cutting ability - let's just assume for illustration purposes it sat more in the middle of SF4000 and FG400, and you were working on a car with plenty clear and deep damage. You complete a test spot with FG400 on your most aggressive pad and it hasn't removed all the swirls.... most, but not all.

You have to do a second step but SF4000 doesn't have enough pull to remove the remaining swirls, regardless of which pad you use. If you did not have an 'in-between' polish, you would either have to do a second polish with FG400, which could potentially remove more paint than was necessary and not finish down as well as you finishing polish, or go FG400/SF4000/SF4000?

Will this happen often IME, no. In most cases I have been able to do a 2 step correction in the traditional FG400/SF4000 route, but there have been occasions where I have gone FG400/PF2500 (a little extra swirl removal was more important than absolute gloss).

I also really like Mike's suggestion at going from a compound to an AIO. If the AIO has enough pull then it can remove any compounding haze, and lays a month's worth of protection down in one step, and the owner intends waxing his car every month anyway, then the initial durability isn't the be all and end all of the detail.

So going back to my original point, to me, EVERY detail is different and so to create an individual route to get to the unique objective of 'that' detail, then having a variety of products at your disposal makes that easier to achieve.

Let the force (of the Flex:buffing:) be with you and the paint guide you :laughing:
 
Thanks Lawrence, I will indeed set some time in 2015 to pay you a visit, as always you are a wealth of knowledge and always willing to assist.
 
I have never used Menzurna products but all this talk about an "easy," 2 step with the 400 then 4000 on top sounds like the perfect 2~step for most applications. I may be purchasing both after reading this post. I typically use Megs 105 and 205 then a sealant and/or wax depending on what the customer wants. This 2 step using Menzurna has got my attention.
 
Now I'm interested. I plan on using LC pads....more to that I plan on making a buy on pads tomorrow. Help me match up pads with the 400 & 4000. Specifically using only those 2 and tackling typical swirls/webs then polishing out to a brilliant shine...if that makes sense
 
My other question is I finished off a Hyundai sonata and 2013 Silverado, black. The Hyundai finished off much quicker. So soft compared to the Silverado. So my question is using those as an example.... using Menzurna 400,4000 and the pads required to do so. I went through 2 pads on the Hyundai, polish and finish pad but the Silverado ate up the compound pads. I was using HF pads.

I use HF pads and want to make the best choice in pads as soon as I start using Menzurna.

I'm a weekend warrior that is determined to start my own business. I love detailing and want to make the smartest choices. I have gotten compliments on my work so far and absolutely plan on flying down to Florida to learn from the expert himself. Only available classes are May. Great thing is class days have been extended.

Don't worry Mike.. I already got the "ok" from the wife so I'm planning now. Haha

You guys are the best for car lovers like me. And the knowledge alone has outstanding. AG = A +
 
You will love the cut and finish of the Menz combo. I use the LC orange and white pads for 400/4000 and the greyish/blackish finishing pad can be used for glaze,AIO's,lsp's etc. You will be amazed at how long you can work with Menz polishes so you use less product to get the job done and you will be more amazed at how well they cut and finish like glazes.
 
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