Collinite Wax Degrade Sealant Coat?

[Aqmar]

Collinite 476s and Klasse sealant questions?

Check second post. I would like to know if there is any truth to this?

As I'm planning to:

Klasse All In One --> Klasse Sealant --> Collinite Wax #845 / Collinite Wax #476 (Still haven't decided which one to buy)

Additional questions:
• I also planning to use Meguiars Ultimate Compound. Do I use it before or after KAIO?
• Anyone familiar with Autoglym Super Resin Polish? Is it the same as KAIO as in a product of paint cleaner, polish and sealant in one?

 

[Rsurfer]

Yes, I agree with that statement. I would use the Klasse Twins or use the Klasse AIO and top it with 845 or 476.

 

[swanicyouth]

Collinite waxes have mineral spirits and/or petroleum distillates in them. The % is likely proprietary. However, mineral spirits / solvents will easily remove any sealant. Layering products like this is a waste of time IMHO. You will see no greater durability. Just use one or the other.


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[Aqmar]

Yes, I agree with that statement. I would use the Klasse Twins or use the Klasse AIO and top it with 845 or 476.

Thanks for the reply.

If the Collinite wax indeed degrading the sealant, wouldn't it be a waste somehow to use Klasse Sealant before that? Sorry to insist. Still new here regarding wax and sealant combination.

 

[Aqmar]

Collinite waxes have mineral spirits and/or petroleum distillates in them. The % is likely proprietary. However, mineral spirits / solvents will easily remove any sealant. Layering products like this is a waste of time IMHO. You will see no greater durability. Just use one or the other.


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Such a shame. I actually really want to try Collinite wax over the Klasse Sealant.

Do you have any wax recommendation wax to follow up the Klasse Sealant? I'm thinking either Mothers California Gold Pure Carnauba or P21S Concours Carnauba Wax.

 

[FUNX650]

More on the same topic:
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/auto-detailing-101/59643-what-collinite-845-will-not-do.html

Also:
One thing that may have a negative effect when attempting "layering"...is that there can be induced:
A lack-of-clarity to the paint system's "color":

•The paint color is in the Base Coat (BC)
•The BC is covered by Clear Coat (CC)
•The more smoothness/clarity/optically-clear/etc. that the CC has...the more the BC's color/depth-of-shine will be able to show through.

Any LSP that is subsequently applied on top of the CC needs to be, upon curing, as optically clear/transparent as possible...including those that need to "fully cross-link".

If not:
Both the BC's color, and its depth-of-shine, will be muted.
Even if LSPs can be "layered" (increase thickness)...it appears that some LSP-products (perhaps their polymers?) have the tendency to mute/occlude the clarity of the underlying film layer(s).


Bob

 

[expdetailing]

If your going to be applying a sealant or a wax, skip the Klasse AIO, or the Meg's polish. To use both, seems like a waste of time--only if--followed by a sealant/wax. AIO's are nice for door jambs though.
Secondly, Mother's Pure Gold attracts dust, based on my experience.
P21S is nice.
Better yet, get yourself a small pot of Dodo Juice supernatural for $40 before any discounts.
P.S. Sonus makes two sprays designed specifically to be used on top of Klasse; Sonus Acrylic Glanz Spray Sealant and Sonus Acrilyc Spritz Quick Detail Spray.
Both of these will refresh the gloss and shine inbetween washes.
If you put a wax on top of your sealant, then you may want to get a spray wax for between washes.

 

[Aqmar]

@FUNX725
Thank you very much! Really helpful. And the link as well. I actually been searching the net regarding topping with Collinite wax. That's new to me. Many information to read and digest :dblthumb2:

@expdetailing
Noted your suggestion :xyxthumbs: Will look more into that and the Dodo Juice. Thanks for the spray suggestion. Neat! I'm sure keep that in mind.

What if I want to use Meguiars Ultimate Compound to remove a couple of defects first, should I do that before or after KAIO?

 

[Klasse Act]

I would do Meg's UC first, then "clean it up" with KAIO. Next up 2x's with KSG and if you feel you need to top, I'd go with #476 as its the most durable. Understand that topping KSG is going to change the looks, hence less "pop" and more "warmth", natrual looks.

KSG can stand alone as an LSP just fine but I'd do 2 coats because something about that 2nd coat really makes a difference in my years of using KSG:thumbup:

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[tommygee]

Interesting thread. Not trying to hijack but I have a question. I've been a Klasse Twin and 845 guy since I've been here. That was in NE Ohio with those winters. Now I'm in South Carolina. Mild weather to say the least. I'm getting ready to clay and reapply. Do you guys think Klasse and 845 is overkill down here or can I go a little less protection and a little more pop and gloss? Product suggestions would be welcome.

 

[conquistador]

Interesting thread. Not trying to hijack but I have a question. I've been a Klasse Twin and 845 guy since I've been here. That was in NE Ohio with those winters. Now I'm in South Carolina. Mild weather to say the least. I'm getting ready to clay and reapply. Do you guys think Klasse and 845 is overkill down here or can I go a little less protection and a little more pop and gloss? Product suggestions would be welcome.

Yes over kill anywhere. Pick one or the other. Layering has been proven time and time again to be a waste of time, money, and products. Yet some people still think otherwise. Hope this helps stop the insanity

 

[tommygee]

Yes over kill anywhere. Pick one or the other. Layering has been proven time and time again to be a waste of time, money, and products. Yet some people still think otherwise. Hope this helps stop the insanity

So clay and 845? Or clay ,then AIO first? My paint is in pretty good shape. And I have 845 but am out of the Klasse Twins.

 

[expdetailing]

OP, I don't understand the logic of using an AIO for paint cleaning purposes after polishing. My "not understanding" doesn't mean that I think it couldn't be helpful to use both. KlasseAct, recommended that sequence. He's been doing this a lot longer than me, so take his advice over mine.
My impression was that an AIO, after polishing, would just add protection.
Since you were going to seal anyways, regardless of which method you used to clean the paint, I figured two polishes would be a time waste.

 

[builthatch]

Collinite waxes have mineral spirits and/or petroleum distillates in them. The % is likely proprietary. However, mineral spirits / solvents will easily remove any sealant. Layering products like this is a waste of time IMHO. You will see no greater durability. Just use one or the other.


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yep.

Hope this helps stop the insanity

haha, not a chance. i wish that too. our minds sometimes work in such simple terms...almost like those little marketing graphics/cartoons that companies use to explain how the products work. our mind will simplify stuff like that without knowing the science and our conclusions are way off. just like the age old "thick coat of wax" sentiment when putting paste wax on the car. dumb.

but, forums like this can only help. it's my goal to someday see the general public embrace waterless and rinseless. i give Turtle props for coming out with that Rinse Free stuff to mass market spots like Wal-Mart and Advance. that's bold. someday that will be the norm.

 

[FUNX650]

OP, I don't understand the logic of using an AIO for paint cleaning purposes after polishing. My "not understanding" doesn't mean that I think it couldn't be helpful to use both. KlasseAct, recommended that sequence. He's been doing this a lot longer than me, so take his advice over mine.
My impression was that an AIO, after polishing, would just add protection.
Since you were going to seal anyways, regardless of which method you used to clean the paint, I figured two polishes would be a time waste.

According to the manufacturer:
Klasse-AIO and Klasse-HGSG..."The Klasse Twins"...are to
be used in conjunction with each other for best results.

People have the liberty to follow the manufacturer's
recommended directions...Or not.
I do. And because of that:
I always have seriously good results with "The Twins"!


Bob

 

[Aqmar]

I would do Meg's UC first, then "clean it up" with KAIO. Next up 2x's with KSG and if you feel you need to top, I'd go with #476 as its the most durable. Understand that topping KSG is going to change the looks, hence less "pop" and more "warmth", natrual looks.

KSG can stand alone as an LSP just fine but I'd do 2 coats because something about that 2nd coat really makes a difference in my years of using KSG:thumbup:

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Thanks. That what I have in mind :dblthumb2: Really appreciated your input and suggestion.

@expdetailing
As for my case, my reason to use Meguiars UC is to remove "heavy" scratches / imperfections here and there. Then the KAIO is more for me to fill in "light" swirls and cleaning for wax preparation.

But anyway, I really appreciated your input as well rops:

@tommygee
No problem. Would also like to know the answer.

 

[expdetailing]

According to the manufacturer:
Klasse-AIO and Klasse-HGSG..."The Klasse Twins"...are to
be used in conjunction with each other for best results.

People have the liberty to follow the manufacturer's
recommended directions...Or not.
I do. And because of that:
I always have seriously good results with "The Twins"!


Bob

My guess would have been that the Klasse AIO would clean and seal, then the Klasse sealant could be added for additional protection.
What I fail to see, and I'm not saying there wouldn't be a benefit, is why one would use an AIO in between a polish and a true sealant. Just seems redundant.
Maybe Klasse has something special going, out side of all other AIOs , where it's beneficial to polish, use their AIO, then use their sealant. Sort of like, ...stacking.
On a side note; I finally decided to use my first order of Polycharger. I used a Polycharger dose in with some liquid Souveran last night (11pm, shhh!) on my silver van, and it surely added to the appearance.
I can definately see how if Klasse recommends it, that there may be some "magic" there one would not expect in the results.
I'm not sure if you can see my connection between using polycharger and stacking Klasse products. I'm not sure I do either; I just sense a hunch.

 

[expdetailing]

Okay, thanks OP. I guess I figured UC would have left zero work for Klasse AIO to do.

 

[firecorgi]

Aqmar,

I used the Klaase twins with no topper. The KSG is the LSP. You can layer the KSG, just follow the directions on the bottle. On my silver truck, it looks great!

Check out the side shots of my truck....
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...006-nissan-titan-tuff-shine-tire-coating.html
OR....do a search and another member here, Klaade Act, offers some great tips and advice on the Klaase line.

Good Luck!

 

[swanicyouth]

My guess would have been that the Klasse AIO would clean and seal, then the Klasse sealant could be added for additional protection.

What I fail to see, and I'm not saying there wouldn't be a benefit, is why one would use an AIO in between a polish and a true sealant. Just seems redundant.

Maybe Klasse has something special going, out side of all other AIOs , where it's beneficial to polish, use their AIO, then use their sealant. Sort of like, ...stacking.

On a side note; I finally decided to use my first order of Polycharger. I used a Polycharger dose in with some liquid Souveran last night (11pm, shhh!) on my silver van, and it surely added to the appearance.

I can definately see how if Klasse recommends it, that there may be some "magic" there one would not expect in the results.

I'm not sure if you can see my connection between using polycharger and stacking Klasse products. I'm not sure I do either; I just sense a hunch.

Klasse AIO isn't an AIO in the sense it has abrasives. I believe it's just chemical cleaners - likely a percent of mineral spirits or solvents. It may be beneficial to use after polishing to removing any polishing oils / remnants so the surface is clean to accept the pure sealant.

However, I agree it's likely a waste of time. IMHO this AIO product is likely most beneficial to those working by hand - not using abrasive polishes on the surface prior to applying Klasse sealant.

While the directions may recommend using the AIO - the directions are not written for the guy using a DA with a finishing polish. They are written for the average guy who works by hand I'm sure.