Which waterless wash?

Blade said:
Is that waterless, Bob? D114 is a rinseless at 1:128. You're actually diluting it even more with double the amount of water to use as a waterless wash?? Hard to believe...
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•What's so hard to believe...
Most "waterless-washes" are >90% water.

•Anyway...You don't have to believe me:
-Try it sometime yourself.

OR:

-Feel free to watch this video:
[ame="http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cICbdJocUI4"]How to use Meguiar's D114 & D115 Rinse Free Express Wash - YouTube[/video]
Starting at ~8:48 through ~9:20...for dilution ratios of D114...as recommended by a couple of the Meguiar's product-developers/experts.


Bob
 
No, I didn't mean I don't believe you. I meant it's hard to believe a rinseless wash product could work as a waterless wash diluted that way. If it does, that's phenomenonal. You see, most products that are advertised as a rinseless wash needs to be diluted LESS with water to work as true waterless wash or even as a QD, i.e. more product, less water.

We are still talking about waterless washes, aren't we?
 
Okay, I've seen that video before but I watched it again up to the point where they start washing. They're talking about and demonstrating a rinseless wash with the D114 at 1:128. That's not waterless. There's a huge difference between rinseless and waterless.
 
Blade said:
No, I didn't mean I don't believe you. I meant it's hard to believe a rinseless wash product could work as a waterless wash diluted that way. If it does, that's phenomenonal. You see, most products that are advertised as a rinseless wash needs to be diluted LESS with water to work as true waterless wash or even as a QD, i.e. more product, less water.

We are still talking about waterless washes, aren't we?
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Yes...waterless-washes.
Even the many QDs that can be used as WW.

•D114 is a very highly concentrated and lubricious product...
-Remember: At a 1:15 ratio...it becomes a "panel wipe".
-Not too many (if any) designated RW/WW-products can make that claim.

•I've found that the 1:256 dilution ratio is usually strong enough for lighter washing tasks.

•I'll go more towards the 1:128 ratio for heavier washing tasks (wheels, rear clips, for example)

A little does go a long way!!

Blade said:
Okay, I've seen that video before but I watched it again up to the point where they start washing. They're talking about and demonstrating a rinseless wash with the D114 at 1:128. That's not waterless. There's a huge difference between rinseless and waterless.
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Would you please explain what those huge differences are. TIA.


Bob
 
As far as WaterlessWashs go I like Pinnicle and Ultima Waterless Wash they are both great. as far as Rinseless I have yet to try the D114 or D115. But I like the Optimum and Blackfire.
The OP's situation is much better for Rinseless but he would need to find shelter to use it. iE a mall garage, A car wash place etc.
 
Well, I thought a "waterless" thread was mistakingly turning into a "rinseless" thread by the mention of D114.
It seems Bob is pretty confident D114 would work as a waterless.
I would have never guessed, but I'll take his word for it.
After using ONR, I didn't think it, nor any rinsless, could be used as a true waterless unless mixed in rediculously high concentrations.
I'll have to check out D114 after I go through my gallon of ONR, my gallon of DG rinseless, my gallon of Pinnacle waterless...It's going to be a while.
 
I wouldn't necessarily believe it either. Up until about 2 months ago I had never used d114 or d115. I will say that I have (in gallons) ONR,ONR+wax, Pinnacle ww, BF ww, DP ww, UWW and d114 & d115 are better than all of them IMO. If someone wants a sample, pm me and I'll get some out to you. I bought 4 gallons of each over the BF sale.
 
fly07sti said:
I wouldn't necessarily believe it either. Up until about 2 months ago I had never used d114 or d115. I will say that I have (in gallons) ONR,ONR+wax, Pinnacle ww, BF ww, DP ww, UWW and d114 & d115 are better than all of them IMO. If someone wants a sample, pm me and I'll get some out to you. I bought 4 gallons of each over the BF sale.
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I can vouch for his gallons :dblthumb2:
 
FUNX725 said:
Would you please explain what those huge differences are. TIA.


Bob
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as far as process,

waterless wash - you use a sprayer and towel(s)

rinseless washes - you use a bucket and wash media and towel

as far as products,

i only know (meaning use) one line of products regarding both waterless and rinseless. waterless there means that it has a massive amount of the special magic polymers but won't easily streak. the rinseless item is apparently more dependent on water for the polymers to work and the concentration of magic bits isn't nearly as high...and if it's too high, it streaks. are the polymers the same between both products? don't know. are they related? probably, but can't be sure. i just know that in regard to that line's items, if you make the rinseless too strong, it will streak whereas the waterless seems very concentrated and doesn't streak.

i am curious, slightly, about the concentration possibilities with the Meguiar's items, particularly if it can be used as a said "panel wipe" sort of product. that is intriguing to me.
 
Blade said:
Okay, I've seen that video before but I watched it again up to the point where they start washing.

They're talking about and demonstrating a rinseless wash with the D114 at 1:128.

That's not waterless.
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I'm not so sure that's a demonstration of a "rinseless-wash" with D114 @1:128 ratio. Here's why:

Ultima Waterless Wash Plus+ Concentrate recommended dilution ratios.
For:
•A waterless-wash: 1/2oz UWW+ : 22oz water...1:44 ratio
•A rinseless-wash: 1oz UWW+ : 3gal water.......1:384 ratio


Using the above UWW+ ratios as a comparative:

Which of these Meguiar's D114 recommended dilution ratios:
1:128 or 1:256...is more like UWW+'s ratios for:

• A rinseless-wash?
• A waterless-wash?
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Also...In your opinion:
Which would be a "safer" wash method:
WW? Or: RW?
Why?
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Blade said:
There's a huge difference between rinseless and waterless.
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Again: Please explain the huge differences. TIA.


Bob
 
Yeah like someone said, the process. For one thing, I still use a bucket for rinseless just like in that video. In fact, unless it's GDWM, I use 2 buckets. For another, the wash media is dunked in the solution whether GDWM or regular rinseless, again just like in the video. Finally off the top of my head, I can use a sponge as a wash media - I actually do in fact. There could be more differences.

Waterless, the way I use UWW+, is spray and wipe. No buckets. I need to use a plush MF towel, no substitute.

You seem to take my comment as an argument when I was actually expressing wonder at such a product that can be used as a waterless (spray and wipe) at a dilution that's even less concentrated than the rinseless ratio it was advertised at. I may even buy it to try!
 
Blade said:
You seem to take my comment as an argument when I was actually expressing wonder at such a product that can be used as a waterless (spray and wipe) at a dilution that's even less concentrated than the rinseless ratio it was advertised at. I may even buy it to try!
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It's funny; over the year or so since I've been here, I've seen Bob's posts taken incorrectly by the reader. I read the post you're referring to and thought all was normal.
Don't feel bad though, I've made much worse mistakes here on this forum because I am an up-tight and suspicious fellow.
 
"...I am an up-tight and suspicious fellow."
What do you mean? Are you talkin' about me? who are you? what do you want???
J/K. I appreciate all the responses. It looks as though Meg's D114 will be my first try!:xyxthumbs:
 
expdetailing said:
Well, I thought a "waterless" thread was mistakingly turning into a "rinseless" thread by the mention of D114.
It seems Bob is pretty confident D114 would work as a waterless.
I would have never guessed, but I'll take his word for it.
After using ONR, I didn't think it, nor any rinsless, could be used as a true waterless unless mixed in rediculously high concentrations.
I'll have to check out D114 after I go through my gallon of ONR, my gallon of DG rinseless, my gallon of Pinnacle waterless...It's going to be a while.
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Bob is confident, as should everyone else. Meguiars intended for the dilution to work as a waterless wash, it isn't a popular dilution to turn the rinseless wash into a waterless wash. It is in fact a dilution which Meguiar's came up with.
 
I have never used D114 as a Waterless Wash but I do know that D115 mixed 4.1 is an excellent Waterless Wash and leaves a great shine
 
Supergus1 said:
"...I am an up-tight and suspicious fellow."
What do you mean? Are you talkin' about me? who are you? what do you want???
J/K. I appreciate all the responses. It looks as though Meg's D114 will be my first try!:xyxthumbs:
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I actually meant D115 as I need the extra protection through the winter...
 
expdetailing said:
It's funny; over the year or so since I've been here, I've seen Bob's posts taken incorrectly by the reader. I read the post you're referring to and thought all was normal.
Don't feel bad though, I've made much worse mistakes here on this forum because I am an up-tight and suspicious fellow.
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LOL. Me, feeling bad? Made mistakes? I thought it was the other way around!! :) My "hard to believe" comment was directed at the product, and Bob thought it was him I didn't believe. If someone made a mistake or felt bad, it wasn't me. I have a forum mantra, going on 20 years now - "Try not to annoy, and try not be annoyed."

Most product concentrates I've seen when going from rinseless to waterless are diluted or mixed with water at a stronger ratio. When D114 is claimed at 1:128 at rinseless, and 1:256 at waterless, that's going the other direction. Although defying logic, if it works as claimed, that makes an awesome product worth investigating.
 
Blade said:
LOL. Me, feeling bad? Made mistakes? I thought it was the other way around!! :) My "hard to believe" comment was directed at the product, and Bob thought it was him I didn't believe. If someone made a mistake or felt bad, it wasn't me. I have a forum mantra, going on 20 years now - "Try not to annoy, and try not be annoyed."

Most product concentrates I've seen when going from rinseless to waterless are diluted or mixed with water at a stronger ratio. When D114 is claimed at 1:128 at rinseless, and 1:256 at waterless, that's going the other direction. Although defying logic, if it works as claimed, that makes an awesome product worth investigating.
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I'm sorry if I came across rude. It's finals week and I'm busy pulling my hair out studying.
D114 is rinseless at 1:256 and 1:128. The 1:128 dilution is for heavier soiling. It provides a better clean and more lubrication. That is why it is suitable for waterless washes at the 1:128 dillution.
 
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