Pure Waxes
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Desertnate
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Blitz Wax was my go-to product until I discovered sealants. It looked amazing, but in my climate it would only last 6~8 weeks.
FUNX650
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Thanks to Mike Phillips...
I find it easier to go by the term: Finishing Waxes.
rops:
Remember:
Polymers are everywhere!!
Are there not natural polymers that make up Carnauba Wax?
The Waxes' carrier systems...if not the carnauba wax...are made up of polymers. So are the oils, petroleum distillates, etc.
The chances of getting away from polymers being used in car-care products called LSPs are going to be far and few between...if any at all!
With that being said:
You'll find the complete list of "Finishing Waxes" in the below Mike Phillips article:
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...erence-between-cleaner-wax-finishing-wax.html
Here's where the list begins:
Here's what they look like:
Here's the spray-on versions:
Bob
I find it easier to go by the term: Finishing Waxes.
rops:Remember:
Polymers are everywhere!!
Are there not natural polymers that make up Carnauba Wax?
The Waxes' carrier systems...if not the carnauba wax...are made up of polymers. So are the oils, petroleum distillates, etc.
The chances of getting away from polymers being used in car-care products called LSPs are going to be far and few between...if any at all!
With that being said:
^^^Take note of the above wording that I "highlighted in Red"
You'll find the complete list of "Finishing Waxes" in the below Mike Phillips article:
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...erence-between-cleaner-wax-finishing-wax.html
Here's where the list begins:
Here's what they look like:
Finishing Waxes
Here's the spray-on versions:
Spray-on Carnauba Waxes
Bob
Kamakaz1961
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I was wondering when Bob (FUNX725) was going to chime in. It's about time!!! LOL
The hybrid teem is horrible ill defined in detailing circles. They don't need to have curable polymers, it is known that the addition of any silicone can lead to some calling their product a 'hybrid'. To be honest, I would be almost shocked to put a big brand wax through a mass spec and not find some silicon based signal. I suspect some detailers might rejoice but, as a formulator, I'd be asking why they are selling an unfinished product.
Silicone in a wax will not remove the wax characteristics, they will enhance. I know many people make claims about preferring a carnauba only or a non hybrid but I can't help but think that the truth is more likely to do with other factors entirely, because they have no idea what the ingredients actually are (and believing the brand selling almost an admission of naivety).
Silicone in a wax will not remove the wax characteristics, they will enhance. I know many people make claims about preferring a carnauba only or a non hybrid but I can't help but think that the truth is more likely to do with other factors entirely, because they have no idea what the ingredients actually are (and believing the brand selling almost an admission of naivety).
swanicyouth
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I think the term is fairly accurate given it gives you some idea of what you are actually are using. Nothing is 100%. Pads and towels are never 100% clean, water is never 100% pure, and paint is never 100% perfect.
You guys forget Vics Red and Bouncers CTR.
Although yr girl can be 100% NOT PREGNANT.
You guys forget Vics Red and Bouncers CTR.
Although yr girl can be 100% NOT PREGNANT.
geekdout
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I would give Victoria waxes another look. They have some really good products that could easily sell for more then what they do. It seems like they have a zero hype marketing philosophy.
I would also check into Race Glaze, I doubt they are totally natural waxes but they are up there with the best.
I know you said you don't care for CG but they do make some good wax and it sounds like E zyme Natura would fit the bill for you.
I would also check into Race Glaze, I doubt they are totally natural waxes but they are up there with the best.
I know you said you don't care for CG but they do make some good wax and it sounds like E zyme Natura would fit the bill for you.
dlc95
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dlc95
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Maybe someone can correct me if I'm mistaken, but I can't see anything wrong with using a "hybrid" wax.
FUNX650
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I'm with you...I see absolutely nothing wrong with using Hybrid-Waxes/Sealants. In fact: They're some of my favorite LSPs!! :dblthumb2:
Bob
dlc95
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Mine too! #26!
omarabdullah022
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Thanks for the correction Zubair. I read up about gold class and i have the old version, not the gold class 'plus'..
I once saw a video in which the manufacturer of son1c wax said that carnaubavore is all natural and has natural polymers so thats why i wrote it down.
I'm still new to this stuff but i suggest you try dodo juice light fantastic or diamond white it looks amazing. Not as durable as collenite 915 though.
I once saw a video in which the manufacturer of son1c wax said that carnaubavore is all natural and has natural polymers so thats why i wrote it down.
I'm still new to this stuff but i suggest you try dodo juice light fantastic or diamond white it looks amazing. Not as durable as collenite 915 though.
Sorry, I thought that I had seen some comments which were being negative towards hybrids - that's what you get for posting late in an evening after a curry!
The point I was sort of making was that I doubt that many waxes are NOT hybrids these days. There really is very little good reason not to include silicon chemistries. I certainly could not make as good a wax without this - I struggle to see why anyone would bother spending time trying.
Another note is that we are typically referring to blends of silicon based molecules (silicones, for example) and carbon based (carnauba, for example). I have mentioned before that this is old school now - people have been doing that for decades but the use of the 'hybrid' tag is only recent (i.e. someone trying to market to you). There is a second type of hybrid which you cannot achieve by such simple mixing - it is chemically both things at the same time. This is a much higher performing beast but, as I have complained about elsewhere, the market has no chance of identifying such a product because of the over use of the hybrid tag.
The point I was sort of making was that I doubt that many waxes are NOT hybrids these days. There really is very little good reason not to include silicon chemistries. I certainly could not make as good a wax without this - I struggle to see why anyone would bother spending time trying.
Another note is that we are typically referring to blends of silicon based molecules (silicones, for example) and carbon based (carnauba, for example). I have mentioned before that this is old school now - people have been doing that for decades but the use of the 'hybrid' tag is only recent (i.e. someone trying to market to you). There is a second type of hybrid which you cannot achieve by such simple mixing - it is chemically both things at the same time. This is a much higher performing beast but, as I have complained about elsewhere, the market has no chance of identifying such a product because of the over use of the hybrid tag.
dlc95
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That's really interesting. So, there is no such product current available? A "hyper-hybrid", "true hybrid", or "performance hybrid"?
addysdaddy
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Still uncertain why that's important. Ease of use, gloss and longevity are typically the most important factors when choosing a LSP. As Mike P likes to say..."find something you like and use it."
expdetailing
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P21S 100% Carnuba is supposed to come hard as a brick and scratch your paint since pure carnuba is as hard as concrete, right? Everyone keeps commenting how easy it is to spread, though. It must come defective with certain polymers added for various reasons.
Either P21S should stop labeling with 100% carnuba, or we should accept the fact that some polymers are good for wax concentrations, or both.
Dr Oldz
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Hummm. It's all marketing. Cuz something says 100% nuba doesn't make it all nuba wax... Just means that no other wax is used. Chances are it's only about 30% nuba and the other 70% are carriers. But it's still 100% Nuba and not other waxes. I have tried more waxes than most... One thing I don't look at is the advertised Nuba content or silly percentages.
Use a wax cuz you like it... Not because of marketing.
I have seen some of u mention Dodo waxes..... Most of the dodo line has other waxes besides Nuba and they are still great waxes.
There is so much chemistry happening in waxes that one should not be concerned about the ingredients but rather the performance.
Use a wax cuz you like it... Not because of marketing.
I have seen some of u mention Dodo waxes..... Most of the dodo line has other waxes besides Nuba and they are still great waxes.
There is so much chemistry happening in waxes that one should not be concerned about the ingredients but rather the performance.