Pure Waxes
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Dr Oldz
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Yes, I have just about all of them. Swissvax Concorso is something special IMO.
dad07
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:iagree: thanks for input Jim.....or should we say Dr.Nuba....Jim probably has more waxes in his collection than AG.
Find something you like and use it often (Mike P)
It dosen't have to be rocket science!
expdetailing
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That sort of marketing logic is deceptive, and I see it's done purposefully.
Say, "Whole Grain Oates" on the outside of a cereal box gets to skirt ethics and normal logic the same way some wax manufacturers take, thus leaving you with 1 grain in the whole box, but the rest is fillers.
I understand the explanation of their definition, however I think it's more than just misleading.
FUNX650
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For awhile:
Their matte-finish car-care products
were the only game in town.
Regardless of other Companies' current matte-offerings:
Swissvax' matte products are definitely top-notch!
Bob
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Angelwax is made in Scotland, Auto finnesse in England.
sunday joe
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SONAX Premium Class Carnauba Wax is free of fragrances and contains no artificial filler waxes. Only 100% carnauba is found in every jar! SONAX added silicone components to increase the carnauba's workability and longevity.
Above is taken from Sonax description from E-Shine.ca, Canadian supplier. Does silicone count as a polymer ?
FUNX650
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Who knows...
but it's quite possible they use similar silicone resins, fluids, and waxes supplied by Wacker Chemie Ag...or other chemical companies from around the World.
Bob
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From one of the authorities and someone who has helped me tremendously to make intelligent "nuba" purchases. This is solid advise and should be kept in mind when making your next "wax" purchase.
p.s. Just want to say thanks for all the help Jim....you're one of the good guys who always seem to "pay it forward." happy new year!
FUNX650
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AF is an english based company and they are not going to claim that they manufacture elsewhere, whatever the truth. There was a whole charade with AF Desire (and the subsequent angelwax 'desirable') and the AF Citrus power (versus the angelwax product selling itself as 'the original citrus power'), so it sounds more than plausible that the proposed affiliation did exist but, with a fairly public spat, it seems unlikely to remain so.
Sorry but silicones are a prime example of a polymer, so again we have a disconnect between scientific speech and marketing. It is total nonsense, as others are indicating. Chances are that there is something like 70% of the product is non-wax and thus not carnauba. A filler is not necessarily a wax (typically it isn't, in fact) so this marketing is pointless unless you have some special hate for waxes which are not carnauba. I would love to know why people think that carnauba is the only wax worth talking about? As a scientist and formulator, I can think of several totally synthetic waxes which are way ahead of carbnauba, in most of the important areas. So why are detailers so hung up on carnauba?!
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Truth is the warmth,glow and wetness of a carnauba cannot be matched by even modern sealants. Even though we all aware of the fact that 95% of the shine is in the polish/prep stage its that remaining 5% that peaks our interest and the hardest to attain hence the eternal fascination with lsp's.
FUNX650
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IMO:
It probably boils down to the Internet's perpetuation of the perception, whether real or imagined, that only carnauba Waxes can effectuate what Is referred to as the "jetting factor"---the wet-look.
As often witnessed:
Urban Legend trumps the Science of Optical Geometry?
Bob
But the further truth is that much of the supposed performance of carnauba is coming from the 'other' ingredients. Our most popular and highest performance wax product has ZERO percent carnauba.
We manufacture for third party brands and the identity of our customers is strictly confidential, so I cannot give product names.
As Bunky says, there are lots of other waxes out there. Montan is another good naturally occurring wax, then you would have the likes of beeswax and any number of others. To my knowledge, carnauba probably is the best of these naturally occurring waxes, for automotive application. That said, for some preferences, I can imagine that combinations with montan could be considered superior. But there are also a load of synthetic waxes out there, which do not occur naturally. These can have very carefully tuned characteristics and there is a lot of scope for tweaking. There are then even more advanced types of waxes out there which would not see so much press (notably because they would cost you 10x as much).
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate that carnauba is probably the best single natural wax out there, but I would consider it to be a compromise to use it as the only wax, not something worth shouting about.
As Bunky says, there are lots of other waxes out there. Montan is another good naturally occurring wax, then you would have the likes of beeswax and any number of others. To my knowledge, carnauba probably is the best of these naturally occurring waxes, for automotive application. That said, for some preferences, I can imagine that combinations with montan could be considered superior. But there are also a load of synthetic waxes out there, which do not occur naturally. These can have very carefully tuned characteristics and there is a lot of scope for tweaking. There are then even more advanced types of waxes out there which would not see so much press (notably because they would cost you 10x as much).
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate that carnauba is probably the best single natural wax out there, but I would consider it to be a compromise to use it as the only wax, not something worth shouting about.
expdetailing
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One thing to watch out for is a wax that attracts dust. I'm not sure what causes this, but you would think a manufacturer would avoid such a formulation.
The first time I waxed my vehicle with Mother's Cal. Gold I was sorely disappointed how much it attracted dust in such a short period of time.
The first time I waxed my vehicle with Mother's Cal. Gold I was sorely disappointed how much it attracted dust in such a short period of time.