Sealant + Wax longevity

[Stone150]

Topping is a myth. The solvents in the wax you top with will remove the sealant. Waxes can have 20%+ solvents in them (like mineral spirits, etc...). This will remove any sealant.

What you end up with is a blend of 2 products on the surface with the last applied product predominating.

Can you provide a link to read about this?

Also, dug through your old posts, PL has me convinced, but I like their polishes anyways

 

[custmsprty]

Topping is a myth. The solvents in the wax you top with will remove the sealant. Waxes can have 20%+ solvents in them (like mineral spirits, etc...). This will remove any sealant.

What you end up with is a blend of 2 products on the surface with the last applied product predominating.

What if you use waxes with no solvents? Maybe we can get Mike Phillips to weigh in on this.

Like BFWD and BF Midnight Sun?

 

[swanicyouth]

What if you use waxes with no solvents? Maybe we can get Mike Phillips to weigh in on this.

Like BFWD and BF Midnight Sun?

All waxes contain solvents; including BF MS. It's a necessity to make the wax useable.

 

[lkotsios]

Do you know which waxes have less solvents in them?

 

[FUNX650]

All waxes contain solvents; including BF MS. It's a necessity to make the wax useable.

Not always. (see below Note)

Do you know which waxes have less solvents in them?

^^^Need their MSDSs to add up the solvents' %s.^^^


Note:
There are substitutes/alternatives for solvents.
They are known as: Volatile Silicones

Go Buckeyes!!

Bob

 

[swanicyouth]

^ what wax uses that???

 

[VISITOR]

do 2 coats of the same wax or sealant for even coverage and be done with it...

 

[FUNX650]

^ what wax uses that???

The ones whose silicone fluids are referred to as (poly)dimethysiloxane fluids having viscosities that typically range from 350-10,000 centipoises [cP] {.35-10 pascal second [Pa*s] }

Source:
Dr. David Ghodoussi, CEO
Optimum Polymer Technologies, Inc.

Notes:
•The above silicones fluids are not to be confused
with amino-functional polysiloxanes

•Volatile Silicones are not classified as VOCs in the USA.
-Formulators choose which Volatile Silicones meets their Bosses' requests.
-They may not show up on some LSPs' MSDSs.



Bob

 

[swanicyouth]

Are you saying Optimum Spray Wax uses volatile silicones opposed to a solvent?

 

[FUNX650]

Are you saying Optimum Spray Wax uses volatile silicones opposed to a solvent?

To the best of my knowledge:
There are no hydrocarbon-based solvents in OCW.

•From Optimum Car Wax's (SW2008) MSDS:
Chemical Name/Material Identification
-Water
-Carnauba Wax
-Amino Functional Sealant

Bob

 

[swanicyouth]

I'm familiar with volatile silicones from pharmaceutical industry (cosmetics); but didn't know they were in some detailing products.

I know volatile silicones can add a luster to topicals; maybe it can do the same for your car.

Take it for what I'm charging for it - zero cents.

 

[FUNX650]

I know volatile silicones can add a luster to topicals; maybe it can do the same for your car.

Take it for what I'm charging for it - zero cents.

They also are used for ease of application/spread-ability.

Another small coin of mine...
thrown in the direction of the wishing well.

Bob

 

[Rmd]

Topping is a myth. The solvents in the wax you top with will remove the sealant. Waxes can have 20%+ solvents in them (like mineral spirits, etc...). This will remove any sealant.

What you end up with is a blend of 2 products on the surface with the last applied product predominating.

I have been using the BFWD and BFMS combo of late. These products are sold as being complimentary. The above makes me wonder about the effectiveness of the combo, and why they would be marketed as such. Should I be using only one or the other? Any thoughts on this? I do let the WD cure properly and tend to apply the wax about a week later.

 

[MikeC78]

So far, I'm falling in love with 4star UPP sealant topped with Collinite 915. The looks are phenomenal, as I'm waiting to see how the protection holds up to the winter in Central Illinois.