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Mike,
I am so glad I found this website; I have already ordered a new flex DA from auto geek.


I am the sanding and buffing guy at our body shop and wanted to know what you would suggest for application after buffing and polishing. I have used 3M hand glaze or wizards shine master in the past, after finishing the buffing process. I didn't know if there was a new type of technologically advanced, “breathable" product(s) I could apply before the 60-90 day curing of the paint to give my customers vehicles a bit of protection before being able to wax.
Thanks,
Gene.
(I buff with Menzerna FG-400 and SF-4500)
 
Hello... can't really help in your quest, but would like to know what you think about Shine Master... ? Thanks for your info.
 
Had my car painted several years ago, and the painter used Wizards Shine Master to finish polishing out. When I went to pick it up he was working on it, and told me how much he liked it. Gave me some to take home with me.

I am not a pro, but I like it as a light polish, and as an amature, have not had any problems working with it.

I remember it does fill some and provided pretty good protection IMO. Want to say I at least three months. Have used it to finish polish headlights with it. Still have a little left. Used it in the late fall after clay on the same car and did alright.

Has been nasty this winter and I have driven through a lot of salt. Car was real bad after the last storm and just diving around in all the water on the road has rinsed it suprizeingly clean. Definitely needs a good wash though.

On another looking clean note. My Opti-Lens coated headlights seem to clean themselves.

Note: I think Shine Master is a "type of technologically advanced, “breathable" product(s) I could apply before the 60-90 day curing of the paint to give my customers vehicles a bit of protection before being able to wax." Or very similar according to their claims.
 
Shine Master works great (as well as all Wizards products I have used in the past) and is very user friendly, although I have never used it with a machine, just hand application after compounding/polishing. Maybe I was hoping somebody has used or knew of another choice for the final step for fresh paint (maybe something in a spray form, lol).
 
Mike,
I am so glad I found this website; I have already ordered a new flex DA from auto geek.


I am the sanding and buffing guy at our body shop and wanted to know what you would suggest for application after buffing and polishing.


I didn't know if there was a new type of technologically advanced, “breathable" product(s) I could apply before the 60-90 day curing of the paint to give my customers vehicles a bit of protection before being able to wax.

Thanks,
Gene.


Hi Gene,

You're in luck. Meguiar's recently introduced the perfect product for you needs.


On Autogeek

Ultra Finishing Durable Glaze


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Body shop safe glaze with wax protection? Only from Meguiars!

Meguiars 305 Ultra Finishing Durable Glaze is the first step in creating a brilliant, high gloss shine after wet-sanding, cutting, and buffing a new paint job. Formulated using a complex blend of oils, super fine abrasives and durable wax protection, Meguiars 305 Ultra Finishing Durable Glaze increases gloss and adds protection to fresh paint jobs. Meguiars 305 Ultra Finishing Durable Glaze is breathable and paintable, and its silicone-free formula makes it body-shop safe.

Body shops typically use a glaze after compounding and polishing a new paint job to really make the paint POP, so when the customer picks up the vehicle, they’re blown away by their investment to get their vehicle repainted (or repaired). The only issue with a glaze is they don’t offer any wax protection, until now!

Meguiars M305 Ultra Finishing Durable Glaze is the only body-shop safe glaze formulated with real wax protection. This means your freshly painted car will not only leave the body shop looking great, but it will be protected as well!

Meguiars M305 Ultra Finishing Durable Glaze is breathable and paintable, and its silicone-free formula makes it body-shop safe. Use Meguiars M305 Ultra Finishing Durable Glaze by hand or machine.

Meguiars M305 Ultra Finishing Durable Glaze offers light paint correction when used with a polishing pad on a dual action or rotary polisher. Use Meguiars M305 Ultra Finishing Durable Glaze to remove light holograms and shallow swirl marks on a freshly painted vehicle.

You can also use Meguiars M305 Ultra Finishing Durable Glaze on cured finishes (think new car that you just purchased) to enhance gloss before you apply a dedicated wax or sealant.


There you go buddy!


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There ya go, RNBuffer. Looks perfect for what you asked for. Now, get or use a ROB, a nice super soft finishing pad and apply that stuff in 1/4 the time you were spending by hand!

And thanks Mike. I saw this when it first came out not too long ago and being a 105/205 user, it piqued my interest. This was a good reminder and explained for an application right in it's "wheelhouse"!
 
Maybe I was hoping somebody has used or knew of another choice for the final step for fresh paint (maybe something in a spray form, lol).

Oh, I see. You want to know if there are any spray sealants that are breathable that can be used in this "window".
 
Optimum have said their OCW can be used on fresh paint plus it also works very well on fully cured paint and is very easy to use. Spray-wipe-done. Lower risk of damage as very little pressure or effort is used. The older Imperial Hand Glaze is still a good product although the new Meguiars glaze looks interesting
 
Thanks Mike, we have a 69 442 that should be painted in the next week or two and this Meguiars 305 will be perfect to break in my brand new Flex XC 3401.
 
Oh, I see. You want to know if there are any spray sealants that are breathable that can be used in this "window".

If there was an awesome product that I could spray on and wipe off that was breathable, I would sure give it a try...:dunno:
 
RNbuffer, I have used the M305 and it is very easy to use and looks awesome!
 
Optimum have said their OCW can be used on fresh paint plus it also works very well on fully cured paint and is very easy to use. Spray-wipe-done. Lower risk of damage as very little pressure or effort is used.

i just came in here to post this lol

Dr. G told me this when i had the hood painted on my MS3 in like 2009.
 
Thanks Mike, we have a 69 442 that should be painted in the next week or two and this Meguiars 305 will be perfect to break in my brand new Flex XC 3401.


Be sure to use a soft foam finishing pad. Prime the pad too before use, like I show here,


How to prime a foam pad when using a DA Polisher


Here are 3 ways to apply product to your pad.

1. Priming the pad then adding product to work with

Priming a clean, dry pad is considered the best approach for using a DA Polisher because it ensures that 100% of the working surface of the pad is wet with product and working at maximum efficiency when you turn the polisher on. I originally learned of this technique from my friend Kevin Brown.

Priming the pad also ensures that you don't have any dry portion of the pad working over the paint un-lubricated. This really isn't a risk because since you're just starting out you're going to be removing defects a lot more serious than would be caused by any portion of the pad that is dry and spinning against the paint.

Plus, after just a few passes, the product you apply to specific areas of the face of the pad will migrate over the entire face of the pad and it will do this rather quickly when you're on the higher speed settings.



Priming the Pad - For clean, dry pads
Start with a clean, dry pad and add some fresh product to be spread out to the face of the pad. Using your finger, spread the product out over the pad and then using your finger work it into the pores of the pad. Don't saturate the pad, just use enough product to make sure that 100% of the working face of the pad has product coverage.

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Work the product around the face of the pad and into the pores
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Any extra, take and apply to the outer edge until 100% of the working face of the pad is primed with product.
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As an option you can also prime the outer edge. This helps if you're buffing around convex curves or around panels that the edge of your buffing pad may come into contact with, like spoilers, side mirror housings, curved panels etc.

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Primed and ready to add "Working Product" to.
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Adding "Working Product" to the primed pad
Some people will recommend 3 to 4 pea size drops of product as the proper amount of product to use and this can be correct for concentrated products or working small sections and if you follow this advice make sure you are not under-lubricating the surface being worked.

Pea size drops of product
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For some products and paint conditions, you may want more product on the surface working for you. Here's an example of dime size drops of product.

Dime size drops of product
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How much product to use after priming

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You want an AMPLE amount of product when first starting out because you pad is dry and some of the product is going to seep into the pad leaving less on the surface to LUBRICATE and ABRADE the paint

Cut down on the amount of product AFTER pad is broken-in...
After your pad is broken in with product, clean your pad after each section pass and when you apply fresh product you can cut down on the amount of product you actually apply to the face of your pad.


Too Little Product
Under-using product reduces lubricity and will make it more difficult for your pad to rotate efficiently.

Too Much Product
Using too much product will hyper-lubricate or over-lubricate the pad and will interfere with the abrasives ability to abrade the paint.


Keep in mind that you want enough product on the surface so you have,

  • Abrasives working for you.
  • A lubricating film between the paint and the pad.
Often times if you don't have enough product to work with you'll end up buffing to a dry buff. When you lose lubrication, friction increase and this can lead to micro-marring or hazing.



2. Applying a Circle Pattern of Product


Benefits to a Circle Pattern
As you work around the car you'll find that your product will migrate to the center on it's own. This can lead to pad saturation starting at the center of the pad where most of the heat is generated.

This can cause problems because wet foam will hold in heat better than dry foam and over time this can accelerate de-lamination between the hook & loop material and either the foam of the pad or the backing material on the backing plate.

Knowing this... I don't help the problem by using an X pattern as using an X-pattern means putting product onto the middle of the face of the pad.

If you're placing pea or dime sized amounts of product to the face of your pad then it's also a good idea to avoid placing the product directly in the center of the pad.

Circle Pattern on a clean dry pad and then worked for a Section Pass
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After working the circle of product over a section, you can see it spread the product out over the entire face of the pad without having to spread it with your finger. The pad is now equally primed with residual product.


Cut down on product after your first section pass
At this point you could clean your pad or add fresh product and when you add fresh product you can adjust how much product you apply.

In this example I used half a circle of product since 100% of the face of the pad is now primed from the previously applied and worked product.
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3. Applying an X-Pattern of Product
Applying your product to the face of your buffing pad using an X-pattern is a fast and simple way way to get product out of the bottle and onto the pad in a measured way that's easy to teach others and a method that's easy to duplicate over and over again.

X-Pattern on a clean dry pad and then worked for a Section Pass
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Cut down on product after your first section pass
After making a thorough Section Pass. The pad is now equally primed with residual product. At this point you could clean your pad or add fresh product and when you add fresh product you can adjust how much product you apply. In this example I used half an X-Pattern, or a single strip of product since the pad is already primed.

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Wet Buffing Technique

Maintain a wet film on the surface
The key is to have enough product on the surface as you're working a section to have a wet film of product that you can see on the surface behind the polisher as you move the polisher over the paint.
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While Dr. David Ghodoussi is a good friend and a PhD Organic Chemist that is one of the chemist that was a part of the creation of the basecoat/clearcoat paint technology we use today, there's still something to be said about machine applying a very high quality product with a soft foam pad to fresh paint.

The polishing action from the foam pad, the machine and the product will create that deep wet shine that you're looking for.



Dr. David Ghodoussi - PhD Organic chemist
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