Porsche Panamera paint

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Yesterday was doing a 1 step polish + seal for a client on a 2013 Panamera in WHITE. I figured I would use Menzerna FG400 on a orange cutting pad, followed by a black finishing pad (without more product). Swirls where medium, however, even with 4-5 passes of the DA, it would not correct.

Mind you, this was not a corrective job, but I was expecting good correction with menzerna fg400. After doing test spots of deciding on which product would be my solution for the job, I had the best results with menz fg400. Is there a trick to porsche paint? Or is it time to whip out the whool and rotary?
 
Porter cable 7242xp paired up with lake country pads (orange + black)
 
That's weird, because I used a Flex 3401 with an orange pad with XMT360, and topped with Souvergn and the car came out mint. XMT is not a heavy cut product, but i'd say it removed 80% of the swirls in the paint without issue. And yes the paint is quite hard IMO but not hard to correct.
 
Not sure it's apples to apples comparison but....white Porsche paint I've used a Flex 3401 and a LC hybrid white pad with Menz 2500. This is go to combination for Porsche. Always do a small test panel and evaluate results. Hope this helps.

BTW, you need to specific which LC pad line you were using since they change around the colors. Flat, CCS, HT, Hybrid etc.
 
kdubski said:
Porter cable 7242xp paired up with lake country pads (orange + black)
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Flat pads? CCS pads? Hybrid pads? etc.

Also what size pads are you using? The smaller thinner 5.5"x7/8 pads or the larger 6.5"x1"/1.5" pads?

addysdaddy said:
BTW, you need to specific which LC pad line you were using since they change around the colors. Flat, CCS, HT, Hybrid etc.
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Agreed.
 
Since we are talking Panamera's. I have a Metallic Blue 2012 and I was hoping for some tips on masking this car. I have tried following Mike's videos where he tapes out an older 911 but I seem to be missing something in the translation. Any tips would be great. Also I have been using Griots for the most part, what are some of the polishes/waxes you use on yours?
 
kdubski said:
Porter cable 7242xp paired up with lake country pads (orange + black)
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What size backing plate and pads are you using?
medicscott said:
That's weird, because I used a Flex 3401 with an orange pad with XMT360, and topped with Souvergn and the car came out mint. XMT is not a heavy cut product, but i'd say it removed 80% of the swirls in the paint without issue. And yes the paint is quite hard IMO but not hard to correct.
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It's not weird as the op is using a PC and you are using a Flex 3401, no comparison.
 
Porche paints are soft, you are going to aggressive with your combination. The last one i did i used a white hybrid pad and Wolfgang Finishing Glaze.
 
What do you mean, "without more product" when using the black pad?

Were you just going over what was left on the paint from the orange pad?

Did you use a polish, or dry buff?
 
refreshauto said:
Porche paints are soft, you are going to aggressive with your combination. The last one i did i used a white hybrid pad and Wolfgang Finishing Glaze.
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:iagree: Porsche Paint is soft IMO. About 2 weeks ago I worked on a Boxster. I used a Flex 3401 w LC Hybrid Orange Pads and Menzerna FG400 on Speed setting 4-5. I did not have to make too many passes as the Paint was easily correctable.

I followed up with a LC White Hybrid Pad with Menzerna SF4500 on speed setting 4-5. I believe Wolfgang Finishing Glaze is on par with Menzerna SF4000/4500

Menzerna Powerlock with a LC Red Hybrid Pad followed with Pinnacle Souveran Paste Wax with Gold LC Hybrid Pad....Both settings at 2.

Again, not too many passes for compound/polish and sealant and wax.

For the PC7424 XP (I have one). I would try the same route as I did with the Flex. The LSP would be at speed setting 3 as it is not as strong as the Flex

Here are a couple of pics (BTW, I suck at photos and their is a lint spot in the lens which shows up as a spot) Additionally, the day was grey and cloudy so you really couldn't see the reflection too well. I did the best I could
 
The following is the equipment I used on the white Porsche Panamera:
-Porter Cable 7242xp
-5" backing plate
-5.5" Lake Country Black, White, Orange pads (FLAT)
-Menzerna PF2500, SIP 1500, FG400

I did numerous test spots, leading me to my most aggressive combination. Even after 4-5 passes, 70% of swirls remained. This was not a corrective job, but after utilizing my most powerful cutting combination I was shocked to see what remained.
 
Kyle_Elantra said:
What do you mean, "without more product" when using the black pad?

Were you just going over what was left on the paint from the orange pad?

Did you use a polish, or dry buff?
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Kyle,

I didn't let the fg400 finish on the orange pad. When it was about halfway worked, I switched to a finishing pad to finish off the fg400. I did not dry buff, just buffed the lighyly worked polish on the panel. In some cases used some water if it looked dry.
 
Has to be the rotary. Get a flex. It's night and day. I have both. Haven't used my Porta once since buying the 3401. I keep it as an emergency backup.
 
kdubski said:
The following is the equipment I used on the white Porsche Panamera:
-Porter Cable 7242xp
-5" backing plate
-5.5" Lake Country Black, White, Orange pads (FLAT)
-Menzerna PF2500, SIP 1500, FG400

I did numerous test spots, leading me to my most aggressive combination. Even after 4-5 passes, 70% of swirls remained. This was not a corrective job, but after utilizing my most powerful cutting combination I was shocked to see what remained.
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I have used the same exact combo you have used on many a Porsche with the same results. I switched to a Groits Boss 21 and the swirls are gone. I don't think the PC is good at removing deep swirls on Porsche paint(or our Audi). I can't comment on other paints/car brands.
 
Why on earth did you stop mid way and go to a pad with virtually no cut? If anything I wouldve jumped to a yellow pad. I'm doing my bosses porche soon.
 
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