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[Satcho]

Happy to join the forum. Very helpful members with actionable information.

My quest is to improve the paint finish on a 1977 450SL. Not certain if it is original paint, but I believe it is. The condition is plagued by splotchy slight discoloration. Cant really see it properly without the right natural light conditions. I found an AutoGeek article on restoring the paint on a 1973 Lincoln...so I purchased from AutoGeek MGs #7 and Dodo Juice wax. The vehicle is a wedgewood blue.

Now I am seeking to purchase a Flex polisher. In process of reviewing AutoGeek online forum for suggestions along with corresponding pads. Initially I am trending toward either the PE 14-2 or the 3403.

My first name is Matthew.

 

[Kamakaz1961]

Welcome to AGO Matt. I think there is a sale going on with the PE 14 with corresponding pads. IMO the PE 14 is the better Polisher. But look at all the threads regarding polishers before you choose.

Mike Phillips has great insight with detailing techniques as well as types of Polishers. Check his threads out too.

 

[Satcho]

Kamakaz1961:

Thanks. There is a lot of information to digest. Just when you think you've identified the right product another thread points in a different direction.

I am just a hobbyist. But my 77 450SL's paint finish needs help. In several threads the argument centers around making applicable comparisons i.e. compact to compact; full size to full size. I understand this approach; however, the bottom line is are the results.

Since I only have two cars presently...maybe some family members will eagerly wish to have their vehicles detailed, I'm likely only to only work on one vehicle that is very neglected...the 77 450SL. All other vehicles are relatively new...probably none have had a proper detailing but not in the condition of the 77 450SL.

I shall continue researching DA vs. rotary and compact vs. full size. No need to break the bank on the polisher given the need for backing plates and pads.

Again, thanks for your suggestion. If you have specific thoughts, just let me know.

Matthew

 

[Paul A.]

Welcome to AutoGeek, Matthew!

 

[Satcho]

Welcome to AutoGeek, Matthew!

Puckman:

Thank You.

I am turning my research focus to Mike Phillips threads. Want to ensure I purchase the right polisher. backing plates and pads.

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

My first name is Matthew.

Welcome to AutogeekOnline! :welcome:

Happy to join the forum. Very helpful members with actionable information.

I like that...

Very helpful members with actionable information.

My quest is to improve the paint finish on a 1977 450SL. Not certain if it is original paint, but I believe it is. The condition is plagued by splotchy slight discoloration. Cant really see it properly without the right natural light conditions.

I found an AutoGeek article on restoring the paint on a 1973 Lincoln...

That would be my article here,

The Secret to Removing Oxidation and Restoring a Show Car Finish to Antique Single Stage Paints

so I purchased from AutoGeek MGs #7 and Dodo Juice wax. The vehicle is a wedgewood blue.

Thank you for your business.

Rub the paint down by HAND with the #7, do it 2-3 times and put some passion behind the pad when you're rubbing the #7.

Save machine polishing for after you bring the paint back to life. You should see the color of the paint coming off on your terry cloth towel. That means it's single stage.

If you don't see any color coming off then it's likely it was re-painted with a basecoat/clearcoat paint system and instead of oxidation you might have clearcoat failure.

If you have clearcoat failure you cannot save it. Not even with the #7.

Now I am seeking to purchase a Flex polisher. In process of reviewing AutoGeek online forum for suggestions along with corresponding pads. Initially I am trending toward either the PE 14-2 or the 3403.

These are both rotary buffers and I wouldn't recommend getting a rotary buffer if it's your first polisher.

Just to note, if you were to get one of the above then you want the Flex PE14 as it dials down to 400RPM. The slowest the 3403 will go is 1100 RPM and when polishing paint it's nice to have the lower RPM range.

Instead of getting a rotary buffer I'd suggest getting a dual action polisher.

The Flex 3401 would be a great choice. It's gear driven and this means the pad is going to rotate and oscillate no matter your technique or the shape of the body panel.

For a non-gear driven dual action polisher I'd suggest the Porter Cable 7424XP or the Griot's 6" DA.

Lots of guys like the Griot's 6" DA for all kinds of good reasons but I still prefer the tried and true Porter Cable 7424XP.

As long as you're using thin foam pads and good technique they will both get the job done and I prefer the Porter Cable when working around water as it's double insulated.

By working around water I mean I do machine wetsanding and I scrub tires with the PC and I like the double insulation feature for a little bit more safety. If you're never going to work aroudn liquids then it's a non-issue but I still like the PC better.

 

[Mike@DedicatedPerfection]

Hi Matthew, welcome to AutoGeekOnline!

For a first polisher I do not recommend a rotary such as the PE14 or 3403.

A dual action polisher such as the 3401 will be the better first choice. Another benefit of the 3401 is the gear driven design offering you non stop pad rotation just like a rotary but with the benefit of being a DA. You won't leave behind any halograms with this tool.

 

[Satcho]

Mike@DedicatedPerfection:

In complete agreement.

After perusing AG threads I quickly came to the conclusion that a Flex 3401 and a Flex PE-8 would meet my needs. I have numerous areas of the 1977 450SL that will require a 1" and 3" pad.

Thank you for taking the time to reply. I've noticed numerous, valuable comments that you make on the forum. As a result of members such as yourself, it makes the search for the proper product, tools and techniques easily attainable.

Again, thank you.

Matthew

 

[Satcho]

Mike.Phillips@Autogeek:

I identified your articles on single-stage paints. Also, I confirmed the 450SL's single-stage paint through the Mercedes Classic Center in Irvine, California. Although I was initially confused since my vehicle's data card listed a option 524 "paint coat preservation"...I though this might a clear-coat. It is not. Rather a wax that was applied to protect it during the overseas journey.

Equally I heed your suggestions for the proper balanced tool. Their is a wealth of information here on the forum covering product, tools and techniques. All very important to achieve the look and protection we all strive for.

Again, thank you for your comments. As a result of the value-added benefits of the Autogeek forum and the company's commitment to auto care, I shall always turn to Autogeek to purchase all my car care needs.

Matthew

 

[Bunky]

Welcome Matthew!!