Poorboys Waterless questions

[lokerola]

Hell AGO folks, I've got a couple of questions regarding Poorboy's waterless wash.

I used the waterless wash for the first time yesterday and I had mixed results and wanted your expertise, tips and tricks.

1. I used almost half the bottle on a Honda Accord. This seems excessive, but I wanted to make sure the panels were adequately covered in product. Do you think 1/2 a 32oz bottle is too much product for a single wash (I know, hard to say without seeing what I actually did)? If using this much product is normal with watereless washes I have to find something cheaper than PB's.

2. Do you spray your dry microfiber before wiping down? After the panel was sprayed down I wiped with a dry mircofiber and it just felt like I was going to hit a dry spot I didn't spray down and put swirls in the paint. After that I started misting the MF with some waterless just to make sure I didn't scratch anything.
Do you mist your MF in a waterless wash?

3. The PB's was streaking after inital wipe down in some places. I found I had to go back over those areas a few times to buff out the product. Is this normal? Is it a result of using too much product?

I thought I'd be sold on waterless washes, but after my first one I'm not so sure. It took a long time because I was spraying carefully, turning the MF carefully, buffing streaks, trying not to overlap panels I already cleaned, etc. The time I thought I'd save by not dragging out the buckets seems to be used up by being super careful with the waterless wash.

Maybe I just need to get the hang of this...

 

[runrun411]

I use PBs WW and IMO it's a good product.

1. Of a 32oz bottle you should use about 1/4 on a Honda Accord (I know this because I have an Accord also).

2. To spray the MF towel as well as the panel is always a good idea.

3. Over the last weekend I watched someone make the mistake of leaving it on the panel too long in very warm weather. You need to wipe and dry one panel at a time.

PBs WW can be a little expensive to use. There are many cheaper options.

 

[ecodetail]

i haven't used pbs but i have used meguiars d115 with really good results,

16oz for is average to above average

yes spray your mf before you wipe, i even go as far as to mix a bucket of rinseless and use that to wet my mf and ring it out really good and use that to wipe

when you wipe roll the leading edge that is collecting dirt back a inch or two and wipe again then switch sides when you have used all 8 sides use the buffing microfiber as your cleaning mf and reapeat the process

the streaks come from not buffing out long enough leaving product behind i use the d115 it doesn't streak useless you use to much in one area

it takes time to get the process down but once you do you can clean your faster than hose and bucket method it takes me about 15 to 20 minutes

i

 

[lokerola]

I use PBs WW and IMO it's a good product.

1. Of a 32oz bottle you should use about 1/4 on a Honda Accord (I know this because I have an Accord also).

2. To spray the MF towel as well as the panel is always a good idea.

3. Over the last weekend I watched someone make the mistake of leaving it on the panel too long in very warm weather. You need to wipe and dry one panel at a time.

PBs WW can be a little expensive to use. There are many cheaper options.

Cool, thanks runrun411. The Accord was pretty dirty, so I probably will use less next time when it isn't so mucked up.

i haven't used pbs but i have used meguiars d115 with really good results,

16oz for is average to above average

yes spray your mf before you wipe, i even go as far as to mix a bucket of rinseless and use that to wet my mf and ring it out really good and use that to wipe

when you wipe roll the leading edge that is collecting dirt back a inch or two and wipe again then switch sides when you have used all 8 sides use the buffing microfiber as your cleaning mf and reapeat the process

the streaks come from not buffing out long enough leaving product behind i use the d115 it doesn't streak useless you use to much in one area

it takes time to get the process down but once you do you can clean your faster than hose and bucket method it takes me about 15 to 20 minutes

i

Thanks ecodetail. Man - 15-20mins! It took me a good hour last night. Well, I'm sure it'll be less next time. I like the idea of getting the MF totally wet with a rinseless, thanks.

 

[runrun411]

Cool, thanks runrun411. The Accord was pretty dirty, so I probably will use less next time when it isn't so mucked up.


If the paint is that dirty, go to the coin-op. Brushless of course.

 

[pheerix]

I don't use PB but I've been doing waterless for a few months now and I'll share my experience:
1. I use a lot of product, sometimes nearly a whole 32 oz bottle. I make sure a panel is thoroughly soaked before wiping. That's why I buy concentrates that are more economical. Right now using Opti-Clean but will probably switch to D115, UWW or Blackfire when I run out.
2. Work in small sections and use lots of towels. I use 12 plush edgeless towels for the whole car. Using more towels means you can work in smaller sections and prevent contamination of previously clean panels.
3. Wipe once and resist the urge to buff. I do the whole car with light swipes in one direction. This will leave residue but that's take care of by the next step...
4. Re-do the whole car with new towels and a QD. QDs will leave less residue and since the car is relatively clean now you can buff with more confidence knowing the surface is free of large particles.
5. Sometimes I spritz a little spray wax at the same time as step 4 so I remove residue and apply wax at the same time.

This process is pretty time consuming but I've had almost no marring at all and I can do this in my garage any time of day and be drought compliant.

 

[Kamakaz1961]

Might I suggest a Rinseless Wash. You can buy a gallon of Rinsless wash and it has many uses from waterless, clay lube and typical rinseless wash. But buying a waterless wash bottle and going through a 32 oz bottle and re-buying another bottle can add up.

Additionally, I consider RW in between a waterless wash and a regular wash and you will get better results.

You are using only 2 Buckets with about 2 gallons with grit guards in both. I use a sprayer with a RW solution and saturate each panel. Use a dedicated wash mitt (or MF towels) wash each panel and then dry.

It is similar in concept to waterless wash, but (again) with better results. Additionally, if you live in an apartment complex with no access to a water hose, this would be an ideal way too. I would believe the property manager would not object either.

 

[lokerola]

Cool, thanks runrun411. The Accord was pretty dirty, so I probably will use less next time when it isn't so mucked up.


If the paint is that dirty, go to the coin-op. Brushless of course.

I wish there were some coin-ops around here, but surprisingly in the northern VA area there aren't any.

I don't use PB but I've been doing waterless for a few months now and I'll share my experience:
1. I use a lot of product, sometimes nearly a whole 32 oz bottle. I make sure a panel is thoroughly soaked before wiping. That's why I buy concentrates that are more economical. Right now using Opti-Clean but will probably switch to D115, UWW or Blackfire when I run out.
2. Work in small sections and use lots of towels. I use 12 plush edgeless towels for the whole car. Using more towels means you can work in smaller sections and prevent contamination of previously clean panels.
3. Wipe once and resist the urge to buff. I do the whole car with light swipes in one direction. This will leave residue but that's take care of by the next step...
4. Re-do the whole car with new towels and a QD. QDs will leave less residue and since the car is relatively clean now you can buff with more confidence knowing the surface is free of large particles.
5. Sometimes I spritz a little spray wax at the same time as step 4 so I remove residue and apply wax at the same time.

This process is pretty time consuming but I've had almost no marring at all and I can do this in my garage any time of day and be drought compliant.

pheerix - glad to hear someone else is using a lot of product during waterless washes. I'll probably try Blackfire when I run out of PB's.
So, that's an interesting idea - wash the car without buffing, then go back with QD or spray way and clean up any streaks, etc. Thanks!

Might I suggest a Rinseless Wash. You can buy a gallon of Rinsless wash and it has many uses from waterless, clay lube and typical rinseless wash. But buying a waterless wash bottle and going through a 32 oz bottle and re-buying another bottle can add up.

Additionally, I consider RW in between a waterless wash and a regular wash and you will get better results.

You are using only 2 Buckets with about 2 gallons with grit guards in both. I use a sprayer with a RW solution and saturate each panel. Use a dedicated wash mitt (or MF towels) wash each panel and then dry.

It is similar in concept to waterless wash, but (again) with better results. Additionally, if you live in an apartment complex with no access to a water hose, this would be an ideal way too. I would believe the property manager would not object either.

Kamakaz61 - I don't live in an apartment complex, but I have no garage and the water and shed to store all my detail stuff is on the back side of the house. When I want to do a quick wash in the morning before work it's sort of a drag to bring all the stuff around front. I was hoping the waterless would be my quick go-to when I don't want to drag all the gear out from back of the house.
I may try Duragloss rinseless here soon - thanks for the idea. There's just something about using water that makes me feel better about washing the car.

Thanks everyone!

 

[Real Riders]

Meguars D114 at 128:1 used as waterless wash is a great choice and very economical. You can spray as much product as you want and there is no need to buff off, just dry. I would keep some microfibers in a clean solution of D114 in a bucket with a lid at 256:1 and wring out each towel where the towel is just damp. Then spray your product, wipe the panels and keep flipping the towel. Just don't reintroduce the dirty towel back in the bucket. Grab a new towel and keep the solution clean and it may last a month.

 

[lokerola]

Meguars D114 at 128:1 used as waterless wash is a great choice and very economical. You can spray as much product as you want and there is no need to buff off, just dry. I would keep some microfibers in a clean solution of D114 in a bucket with a lid at 256:1 and wring out each towel where the towel is just damp. Then spray your product, wipe the panels and keep flipping the towel. Just don't reintroduce the dirty towel back in the bucket. Grab a new towel and keep the solution clean and it may last a month.

Cool idea, thanks Real Riders!