Griots Boss System & Fast Correcting Cream/Perfecting Cream

[ski2]

I bought the 15 when the Boss first came out. My reasoning was that I'm not doing this for income so speed of correction is not an issue--most concerned with lack of vibration and no need to add pressure while polishing. I felt the smaller orbit and smaller pads would allow me to polish closer to protruding objects like mirrors etc and I wouldn't have to switch to my GG6 with 4" pads as often. Also, felt there would be less stalling when polishing concave surfaces.

Well I couldn't be happier--very little stalling with 2 washers installed, I can polish almost everything with the 15 with the exception of bumper areas, near the license plate. And, it's cut down the number of passes I usually do with the GG6 by half. Even with my B&S 5.5" pads it's lack of vibration is excellent, but with some new pads (designed for long throw polishers) I've been using it's outstanding.

 

[DeansDetailing]

Thanks for this review. This system is definitely something I'm considering when I upgrade.

 

[RaskyR1]

Thanks for the great review! Nice seeing some others giving the pads and polishes a try. rops:


If you didn't happen to pick up some of the Fast Cut MF pads, definitely give them a try! You will see a noticeable increase in cut and they are great for working out the RIDS and other deeper defects. With no foam backing they will have a little more vibration and they can't contour like the foam backed MF pads, but are excellent on the flat areas.

 

[medicscott]

Thanks for the great review! Nice seeing some others giving the pads and polishes a try. rops:


If you didn't happen to pick up some of the Fast Cut MF pads, definitely give them a try! You will see a noticeable increase in cut and they are great for working out the RIDS and other deeper defects. With no foam backing they will have a little more vibration and they can't contour like the foam backed MF pads, but are excellent on the flat areas.

Yes, I commented about how great the MF pads are. They truly are a game changer for me. I bought a bunch and this will now be my go to pad when working on darker vehicles. I enjoy your reviews as well, keep up the good work!

 

[7.3powerstroke]

Scott, it looks like there are two different types of microfiber pads. Some with foam backing and some without. I believe you used the ones with foam backing. The other microfiber pads are not part of the BOSS system.

Chad, do the fast pads cut better than Megs discs?

 

[RaskyR1]

Yes, I commented about how great the MF pads are. They truly are a game changer for me. I bought a bunch and this will now be my go to pad when working on darker vehicles. I enjoy your reviews as well, keep up the good work!

Thanks!

I only noticed the BOSS MF pads mentioned/shown in your review.

The Fast Cut pads have no foam backing.

 

[RaskyR1]

Scott, it looks like there are two different types of microfiber pads. Some with foam backing and some without. I believe you used the ones with foam backing. The other microfiber pads are not part of the BOSS system.

Chad, do the fast pads cut better than Megs discs?

Haven't done a side by side yet. I did notice the Groit's seem to translate less vibration though, likely from the backing material used or the longer fibers used. My guess would be Megs cuts a hair more but Griot's finishes better (based on previous usage).

 

[medicscott]

Thanks!

I only noticed the BOSS MF pads mentioned/shown in your review.

The Fast Cut pads have no foam backing.

I stand corrected! Hence I learn something new everyday! I will try these out for sure.

Scott

 

[TMQ]

Great write up! I don't have a polisher yet and I'm not sure of which to start out with, the 15 or the 21...

If I understand you---not much difference between the 2 and to start out, the 15 will be just fine...right?

Tom

 

[medicscott]

Great write up! I don't have a polisher yet and I'm not sure of which to start out with, the 15 or the 21...

If I understand you---not much difference between the 2 and to start out, the 15 will be just fine...right?

Tom

You got it tom. Read everyone's comments. Nice info on this thread. But the 15 will suit you just fine for many years to come. Enjoy.

 

[ski2]

Great write up! I don't have a polisher yet and I'm not sure of which to start out with, the 15 or the 21...

If I understand you---not much difference between the 2 and to start out, the 15 will be just fine...right?

Tom

Tom-- from Scott's original excellent review "When using the G15 versus G21 it is very hard to tell the difference in cutting ability, but for sure the longer throw is more noticeable in tight spots and curves."

One thing you will have to address if you start out with a long throw poliser--how will you do very tight areas like bumbers etc. Even with the smaller 15mm throw you can't equip the G15 with 3 or 4" pads. I use my existing GG6 with 4" pads. If it becomes an issue for you perhaps you could pick up a Harbor Friegth DA for around $50 and equip it with a 3.5" backing plate and 4" pads.

 

[Dan Tran]

I recently purchased the g21 with the 5" BP.

I so far only have used Meguair's Ultimate consumer line and also have used HD Speed and HD Poxy.

Can anyone comment on the BOSS system in terms of gloss, wet look, clarity etc.

PS: the pictures look terrific, but am seeking a comparison from people who have used the products mentioned.

I too may just have to buy and see for myself. This hobby is making me broker....

 

[TMQ]

Awesome!
Just what I'm looking for. Was wondering about the tight areas and the harbor freight DA for tight areas is a good one.
So I'm set then! A G15 and a cheapo harbor freight DA that is...
Thanks a million.
Tom

 

[Heisenberg]

I recently purchased the g21 with the 5" BP.

I so far only have used Meguair's Ultimate consumer line and also have used HD Speed and HD Poxy.

Can anyone comment on the BOSS system in terms of gloss, wet look, clarity etc.

PS: the pictures look terrific, but am seeking a comparison from people who have used the products mentioned.

I too may just have to buy and see for myself. This hobby is making me broker....

All of the products you listed are quality, and so are the Griot's options. You would be hard pressed to find a difference in clarity or gloss between the actual products - this comes down to technique more than the products used. Sealants and waxes have different types of finishes(candy vs warm, etc) but it really comes down to the user when talking about stuff like that. Technique trumps product every time IME

I've used all of the products you've mentioned. Some are easier to work with than others, but overall I got similar results in the end.

 

[medicscott]

The pictures in this review are all using Griots polishes. They are all excellent and affordable.

 

[ski2]

I recently purchased the g21 with the 5" BP.

I so far only have used Meguair's Ultimate consumer line and also have used HD Speed and HD Poxy.

Can anyone comment on the BOSS system in terms of gloss, wet look, clarity etc.

PS: the pictures look terrific, but am seeking a comparison from people who have used the products mentioned.

I too may just have to buy and see for myself. This hobby is making me broker....

Here's a polish chart from Autopia that will give you an idea of the breadth of just polishing products out there and the relative aggressiveness of each: UPDATED 9/2015: Autopia Polish Comparison Chart But this doesn't tell the whole story--some heavier cutting products finish very well to the point you may only need one step, but others leave a haze that needs a second step with a polish. At the same time some polishes have great cut depending on the pad. Some have long working time, some not. Some create allot of dust, others don't. This is why you need to have a number of choices at your finger tips and do a test spot with perhaps different products and different pads before you do the entire car.

Since you have a G21 you might want to start out with the Boss system of color coded polishes and pads, then move on from there once you've done a few cars. The Boss polishes have been getting great reviews--long working time, no dust, finish down well and remove easily.

Generally speaking a natural wax (like Carnuba and Montan) will give a warmer, deeper, wetter look but the durability will not be very long--perhaps just a few weeks depending of circumstances.

Synthetic waxes ie Sealants will generally produce a very shiny, glossy look with not as much depth or wetness of a natural wax, but will provide much more durability perhaps 6 or more months depending on circumstances. Some like Duragloss 105 and Finish Kare 1000p have been known to last a year.

Then there are hybrids, like Poxy, that are a combo of wax and sealant, that have better durability, perhaps 3-4 months depending on circumstances, but with the look of a natural wax.

But there are exceptions to the above--as an example the Collinite products, like 476 and 915, that have high carnuba content, but long durability (6 months +) as well as a deep, wet look.

Which you choose will come down to personal preference.

But, the greatest influence on the final look is the preparation of the paint--the decontamination, polishing and finishing of the paint before any LSP.

You really should get Mike's book as it would help allot.

 

[VISITOR]

just thinking out loud here... props to GG for coming out with DA's with enough (certainly if not more than the competitor's) torque/power from the beginning and not having to improve upon (they've done their homework) it other than the ergonomics on the exterior like they did with the GG6. rest assured with great warranty and excellent customer service to go with it, your mind will be at ease with your purchase...

 

[SeanChav]

I agree with ^^

I'm still new to polishing and stuff but after just recently moving from a PC to a gg6 I couldn't be more happier....the gg6 is a waay better machine all around IMO and I'm glad I made the switch....I wouldn't hesitate to go with a BOSS later down the road if i wanted to upgrade

 

[Legacykid]

The Fast Correcting Cream is just that...fast correcting. I measured paint thickness readings using a Positector 6000 on a rental I had. While going over 100 passes and took paint readings after every 10, the reading was 116 at the beginning and 115.9 after 100 passes.

What was interesting to note that there were some really bad defects in some of the cars I had where no matter what the Fast Correcting Cream would not totally eliminate. What I found is using Menzerna 300 would take care of whatever the Perfecting Cream couldn't. But this was rare.

Im a little confused by the two statements above if you do not mind clearing it up for me. You did 100 passes and only went through 0.1(assuming microns?) with which pad?

Also the second part you mention perfecting cream while first talking about the fast correcting cream. Was that a typo?

Thanks for the review and pics!

 

[dlc95]

Very nice write up!