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I've been using the same cutting compound for three or more years. M-100 then 205. It's working fine but with some cars I just can't seem to get a mirror finish. I mean 100% scratch free. I know most clients don't want that type of finish. But I feel like I'm missing out on other combinations of compound and pads. What works best for you? (Im using a flex, dewalt polisher, porter/cable and purple meguires pads, and random finishing pads)
 
I think almost any of the main lines from AGO would do you good.
3D, Blackfire, Pinnacle, Wolfgang, Menzerna, just to name a few. Research a bit on their equivalents to Meguiar's cutting and polishing combo.

Like 3D's combo here
3D AAT Paint Perfecting Combo

3D's other combo here
3D HD Cut
3D HD Polish

Pinnacle's compound and polish
Pinnacle Advanced Compound, swirl remover
Pinnacle Advanced Finishing Polish

Now I'm too lazy to list the rest lol. Just check the rest by brands, and pick a system that appeals to you by price, style, and all that.
 
Are you not removing all the heavy defects, or not finishing out clearly?

Switching to a wool pad on the rotary - or even Microfiber on the d/a will help you remove more of the defects.

Random finishing pads... It's hard to say based on that description, but I've rarely seen M205 have problems finishing out. On something like a white LC polishing pad you should be getting pretty good results, especially on a d/a.

The only other polishes I use regularly are Menzerna.

FG400
PF2500
SF4000

If you ever went that route, I doubt you'd be disappointed.
 
I beleive u get what u pay for, it's pricey but in my opinion nothing compares to the 3m perfect-it iii system. I've tried a few other compound and polish combos and they don't even come close. It's simple to use, cuts quick and has amazing results. I use it for paint corrections on a daily basis. Anything from dirt nibs to sand scratches, oxidized paint swirl marks. Most of the time a simple 1 2 and i'm done. For more stubborn problems some super duty and a wool pad. Anything from spot jobs to complete show car polishing is no problem. Again, expensive but their trizact pads are incredible for resurfacing and spot fixes. Worth every penny. Double sided waffle pads, ex compound and polish, and my trusty dewalt high speed and i'm good 2 go.
 
K1NGGREEN said:
I beleive u get what u pay for, it's pricey but in my opinion nothing compares to the 3m perfect-it iii system. I've tried a few other compound and polish combos and they don't even come close. It's simple to use, cuts quick and has amazing results. I use it for paint corrections on a daily basis. Anything from dirt nibs to sand scratches, oxidized paint swirl marks. Most of the time a simple 1 2 and i'm done. For more stubborn problems some super duty and a wool pad. Anything from spot jobs to complete show car polishing is no problem. Again, expensive but their trizact pads are incredible for resurfacing and spot fixes. Worth every penny. Double sided waffle pads, ex compound and polish, and my trusty dewalt high speed and i'm good 2 go.
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Those trizact are on my "wish list".
 
dlc95 said:
those trizact are on my "wish list".
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They're expensive, but they work and if taken care of, they last. I can easily get 3-4 cars (spot paint corrections) done with one, 6 inch 3000 grit pad. 5000 isn't really necessary but it does make the buffing process a breeze. I'm a polisher at a paint shop so I do panel repairs. Denib and orange peal mostly and sometimes runs or other defects. I've had the same box for over 6 months and still have plenty left
 
K1NGGREEN said:
They're expensive, but they work and if taken care of, they last. I can easily get 3-4 cars (spot paint corrections) done with one, 6 inch 3000 grit pad. 5000 isn't really necessary but it does make the buffing process a breeze. I'm a polisher at a paint shop so I do panel repairs. Denib and orange peal mostly and sometimes runs or other defects. I've had the same box for over 6 months and still have plenty left
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Thanks for the tip.

You have the job I wanted.
 
A carpenter doesn't have just one hammer. The best advice someone gave me is, find what you like and stick with it. With that said, keep at least 3 other like/type products in your inventory.

Megs 100 / 205 is different technology than Pinnacle, Menz, 3D. So one product may not fit all finishes on cars. In my inventory:

My go to product is both Pinnacle compounds and polish. I'm never let down and always pleased by Pinnacle Advanced Compound followed by Pinnacle Advanced Finishing Polish.

Other products in inventory:

Menzerna FG400, SF4000/SF4500

3D HD Speed
3D HD Adapt 501
3D HD Adapt 502

Griot's Garrage BOSS 5.5 BOSS Correcting Cream
Griot's Garrage BOSS 5.5 BOSS Fast Correcting Cream
Griot's Garrage BOSS 5.5 BOSS Finishing Sealant Cream
Griot's Garrage BOSS 5.5 BOSS Perfecting Cream

Meguiars M105 Ultra-Cut Compound
Meguiars M205 Mirror Glaze Ultra Fine Finish Polish
 
paul_g said:
...one product may not fit all finishes on cars.
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There is so much truth in this statement.

I have never run into 2 cars that acted the same. Some are very similar and I can guess what to expect based on my experiences.

Having a variety of pads and compounds/polishes is very beneficial. Learning how those products act and how to work around how they react to different paints will take your abilities to the next level.

Test spots are your friend. Being able to figure out what it takes to get a small section to perfect before attempting the rest of the car will help you figure out what pad/compound combo gets the job done.

Read up on Kevin Brown's articles about residue control. This will also help you.

Which megs burgundy pads are you using? The new thin ones? They provide more cut than the older thicker pads. Maybe give some microfiber pads on a DA/Flex a try.

Maybe pick up a black trunk from the junkyard to practice on. See what it actually takes to get it perfect.
 
Combo depends on paint issues and what client wants..
But these are what I always grab
3D Hd Speed
3D HD Poxy
3D HD Adapt
CarPro Reflect
I need to get some.WF Liquid DGS
Have scholls s3 xxl and Carpro essence comming to test

Boss yellow and orange pads
Out of whats listed that ive used,
3d speed put out the most shine
Then adapt
Reflect
 
TheAverageMan said:
I think almost any of the main lines from AGO would do you good.
3D, Blackfire, Pinnacle, Wolfgang, Menzerna, just to name a few. Research a bit on their equivalents to Meguiar's cutting and polishing combo.

Like 3D's combo here
3D AAT Paint Perfecting Combo

3D's other combo here
3D HD Cut
3D HD Polish

Pinnacle's compound and polish
Pinnacle Advanced Compound, swirl remover
Pinnacle Advanced Finishing Polish

Now I'm too lazy to list the rest lol. Just check the rest by brands, and pick a system that appeals to you by price, style, and all that.
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pinnacle stuff is great.
 
DasBurninator said:
There is so much truth in this statement.

I have never run into 2 cars that acted the same. Some are very similar and I can guess what to expect based on my experiences.

Having a variety of pads and compounds/polishes is very beneficial. Learning how those products act and how to work around how they react to different paints will take your abilities to the next level.

Test spots are your friend. Being able to figure out what it takes to get a small section to perfect before attempting the rest of the car will help you figure out what pad/compound combo gets the job done.

Read up on Kevin Brown's articles about residue control. This will also help you.

Which megs burgundy pads are you using? The new thin ones? They provide more cut than the older thicker pads. Maybe give some microfiber pads on a DA/Flex a try.

Maybe pick up a black trunk from the junkyard to practice on. See what it actually takes to get it perfect.
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I almost got caught up in the "try everything" quagmire.

But to follow my personality, I ended up pushing what I had to it's limits. This left me with a couple of choices, rather than a shelf full of product.


Kevin Brown also mentions the testing he did with M105, and how he tried using it every which way he could. He's an expert on that product because he's used it in every imaginable way. He know what it will do, how, and why it will do it.

I also did this with pads. Specifically the green foam. I wrestled in my mind with what I was marketed to vs what actually worked for me. The yellow, and orange pads just never worked for me. I always went back to the green hex logic to cut. Simply by looking at the residue load on the faces of the pad after one section cycle told me all I needed to know. Not to mention the defect free surfaces.

Now, that pad probably won't work for 99% of other detailers out there, but the technique I developed with that combination of tool, pad and product really works efficiently for me because I tried them every which way imaginable. Different pressures, speeds, etc.
 
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