::OPINIONS:: 1st Time Coating

[tarbaush]

Hello Autogeekers,

I have decided to venture into the last frontier (at the moment)...coating.

I am not a professional detailer, just hobbyist, and therefore have only worked on a little over a handful of vehicles. I have used waxes and sealants many times, however this will be my 1st coating attempt.

So, just curious about some opinions/suggestions if any of these would be more beneficial for my 1st attempt. After researching, here are my contenders (in no specific order)...

-Wolfgang Uber Ceramic Coating Wolfgang Uber Ceramic Coating

-CarPro Cquartz CQuartz Ceramic Quartz Paint Protection, CQuartz nano coating, nano paint sealant

-BLACKFIRE Crystal Coat Paint Coating BLACKFIRE Crystal Coat Paint Coating, quartz paint coating

-Pinnacle Black Label Diamond Paint Coating v2 Pinnacle Black Label Diamond Paint Coating

I currently have plenty of CarPro Eraser, so hopefully that would play nice with any of these for prepping purposes. If not...please let me know as I guess that would narrow down my choice.

Also, if there are any other coatings that you feel should be considered, I am all ears.
Thanks.

 

[parttimer]

I have only tried 1 1/2 of your list. Wolfgang is too new for me to have tried, CQuartz UK and the original Pinnacle coatings I have used. I did a customers car with Pinnacle one year and he had me repolish it and I coated with Cquartz the second time. He much preferred the CQuartz. I have been using Americoat, Cquartz UK and Kamikaze as of late and ALL three are fantastic.

 

[Paul A.]

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I too am evaluating coatings to extend my LSP life here in FL. This state is very harsh on LSP's with torrential rain, incessant UV attack and sand. I learned years ago how perishable carnaubas were and went to sealants. Now coatings are the thing for durability.

Oh, and welcome!

 

[richy]

In spite of risking getting flamed, I would say that none of those qualifies as a true coating as their durability is not on par with the better ones. Use regular CQuartz as it is not hard to put on and will last a few years.

 

[Angus]

If you're intent on using Eraser then you need to get CQuartz - they were designed to be used together. All of the other coating you listed may not "play well" with Eraser/ will not bond correctly/ will fail prematurely/ and be a waste of your time & $.

I coated my wifes car on Saturday with Wolfgang Uber - super easy to use and looks great. If you'd rather go this route, you have to get Wolfgang Perfekt Finish Paint Prep to use in place of Eraser.

 

[tarbaush]

I have only tried 1 1/2 of your list. Wolfgang is too new for me to have tried, CQuartz UK and the original Pinnacle coatings I have used. I did a customers car with Pinnacle one year and he had me repolish it and I coated with Cquartz the second time. He much preferred the CQuartz. I have been using Americoat, Cquartz UK and Kamikaze as of late and ALL three are fantastic.

Just to clarify, are you saying you have used CQuartz & CQuartz UK ? Any noticeable difference with ease/application with either ? I am in sunny Florida (the sunshine...and rainy state) With this in mind, any preference on either ?

I too am evaluating coatings to extend my LSP life here in FL. This state is very harsh on LSP's with torrential rain, incessant UV attack and sand. I learned years ago how perishable carnaubas were and went to sealants. Now coatings are the thing for durability.

Oh, and welcome!

I definitely hear you rops:
And thanks for the welcome.

In spite of risking getting flamed, I would say that none of those qualifies as a true coating as their durability is not on par with the better ones. Use regular CQuartz as it is not hard to put on and will last a few years.

Are there any other true coatings you are allowed to mention here, if so would they fall in the range of a 1st timers abilities ? Or should I stick with this field of contenders ?

If you're intent on using Eraser then you need to get CQuartz - they were designed to be used together. All of the other coating you listed may not "play well" with Eraser/ will not bond correctly/ will fail prematurely/ and be a waste of your time & $.

I coated my wifes car on Saturday with Wolfgang Uber - super easy to use and looks great. If you'd rather go this route, you have to get Wolfgang Perfekt Finish Paint Prep to use in place of Eraser.

I am not opposed to purchasing another prep if it is what is needed for a coating that aligns with my needs/abilities, just throwing out there that I have CarPro Eraser, and wanted to see if it would work with any other coatings besides CQuartz.

So if my current prep is not limiting you opinion, just curious, would you sway towards Wolfgang Uber then ?

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[Bus_Driver]

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I coated my wifes car on Saturday with Wolfgang Uber - super easy to use and looks great. If you'd rather go this route, you have to get Wolfgang Perfekt Finish Paint Prep to use in place of Eraser.

Is this really true? Or is it marketing speak or just speculation? If you need WG Perfekt Finish to prep for Uber coating, why wouldn't they bundle the products? IMO, if Uber coating doesn't last because you didn't stay within the brand for prep, then it should get a terrible review and word will get out that it's just marketing BS to up-sell the WG brand.
BTW, I use WG products and I bought Uber coating to try. I did not buy Perfekt finish because I have other prep products.

 

[richy]

Just to clarify, are you saying you have used CQuartz & CQuartz UK ? Any noticeable difference with ease/application with either ? I am in sunny Florida (the sunshine...and rainy state) With this in mind, any preference on either ?



I definitely hear you rops:
And thanks for the welcome.



Are there any other true coatings you are allowed to mention here, if so would they fall in the range of a 1st timers abilities ? Or should I stick with this field of contenders ?



I am not opposed to purchasing another prep if it is what is needed for a coating that aligns with my needs/abilities, just throwing out there that I have CarPro Eraser, and wanted to see if it would work with any other coatings besides CQuartz.

So if my current prep is not limiting you opinion, just curious, would you sway towards Wolfgang Uber then ?

Thanks Everyone.:dblthumb2:http://www.autogeekonline.net//www.pinterest.com/pin/create/extension/

You had mentioned CQuartz UK. I don't recommend it as much as the newly changed CQ. I find the UK more finicky to use and have discontinued using it myself. Gtechnique is OK too although I've only ever used their trim coating, but I think most people who have used it are happy with their paint coating.

 

[Jrocket]

Is this really true? Or is it marketing speak or just speculation? If you need WG Perfekt Finish to prep for Uber coating, why wouldn't they bundle the products? IMO, if Uber coating doesn't last because you didn't stay within the brand for prep, then it should get a terrible review and word will get out that it's just marketing BS to up-sell the WG brand.
BTW, I use WG products and I bought Uber coating to try. I did not buy Perfekt finish because I have other prep products.

I don't think so.

I have used Carpro Eraser with my PBL Diamond Surface Coating with Zero Issues.

I tried using the matching paint polish/cleaner first and had a hell of a time removing it..

(applied thin) it just kept a light haze and made you work for it.

I would say that on one hand its nice to use matching products.. but do you have to ??

I'm in the camp that says that's mostly Marketing Hype!

 

[David Hayward]

I mostly run cquartz and cquartz uk. But I have also used optimum coatings and the DP brand coating. I used ipa wipe down followed by eraser for all of them and have had no issues with the coatings durability. It seems to have lasted just the same as when using the prep polishes but it is much easier to use.

For a first time at trying coatings you may want to try the DP or Pinnacle coating because they are much more forgiving. You have a much larger window of time to level any high spots and they are much easier to level out from my experience.

 

[Angus]

Just to clarify, are you saying you have used CQuartz & CQuartz UK ? Any noticeable difference with ease/application with either ? I am in sunny Florida (the sunshine...and rainy state) With this in mind, any preference on either ?

The difference between CQuartz & CQuartz UK is ambient application temperatures. CQUK was designed to be used from 86'F to 41'F. Were as CQuartz can be used from 86'F to 59'F. Given you are in sunny & warm Florida, CQuartz UK isn't necessary. Both have an application learning curve for knowing exactly when they need to be buffed post application. Once you figure that out, you should be ok.

I am not opposed to purchasing another prep if it is what is needed for a coating that aligns with my needs/abilities, just throwing out there that I have CarPro Eraser, and wanted to see if it would work with any other coatings besides CQuartz.

So if my current prep is not limiting you opinion, just curious, would you sway towards Wolfgang Uber then ?

Thanks Everyone.:dblthumb2:

Could the pre-coating prep + coating brand only be mostly marketing hype with a dash of truth? Sure, I can't claim otherwise. But given all of the prep work that goes into applying a coating, I'm not willing to take that risk and have a day worth of decon & correcting work go down the drain because I balked over a picking up a $20 bottle coating prep fluid. Just my $.02 and $20 worth of free advice.

Personally I found Uber more forgiving to remove then CQuartz. Same is true for DP and PBL coatings. All 3 have a nice long work window to knock down any unevenness.

 

[FUNX650]

Is this really true? Or is it marketing speak or just speculation? If you need WG Perfekt Finish to prep for Uber coating, why wouldn't they bundle the products? IMO, if Uber coating doesn't last because you didn't stay within the brand for prep, then it should get a terrible review and word will get out that it's just marketing BS to up-sell the WG brand.
BTW, I use WG products and I bought Uber coating to try. I did not buy Perfekt finish because I have other prep products.

OH! The brow-beating and tongue-lashing you'll
receive from so many members/manufacturers/
resellers/etc. on this (and other) forums...

if you would ever happen to mention that you
did not use the specified prep-product(s)
for your choice of Coating...

and then in the same breath also mention that
the Coating failed to meet with your satisfaction,
expectations, or in any other way or means!!!




Bob

 

[zmcgovern45]

What Coating Should I Buy? by Zach McGovern

^My $0.02 on the matter

 

[runrun411]

Could the pre-coating prep + coating brand only be mostly marketing hype with a dash of truth? Sure, I can't claim otherwise. But given all of the prep work that goes into applying a coating, I'm not willing to take that risk and have a day worth of decon & correcting work go down the drain because I balked over a picking up a $20 bottle coating prep fluid. Just my $.02 and $20 worth of free advice.

That pretty much nails it. So true, so true.

 

[tarbaush]

**Thanks everyone so far for the great opinions/debate on whether CarPro Eraser will work on various coatings.**

**Thanks @zmcgovern45 for the good read :xyxthumbs:**

As for the coating, one of my concerns while reading through many articles/posts is the ease of application, or the forgiving ability (time period) for correction, as I will be learning as I go. I figured this might be important to me being my 1st attempt. What do you guys think ?

Also, I believe at least one of the coatings stated it can be used on glass, wheels, etc. Is this true of most/all of the coatings ? I would like to use on paint, glass and wheels if possible. As for trim, already use DLux and love it.

For evening out high spots (leveling product), which cloths/materials does everyone feel will accomplish this the best ?

Lastly, and don't mean to cause any problems with this question, what about putting a coat of wax on top of these coatings ? I feel like I have definitely read mixed opinions about whether its beneficial and/or counterproductive. For me it wouldn't be about any further protection, just the joy of doing it. With full-time job and multiple kids, don't get to go out and do this too often. One of the reasons I thought about tackling the coating process. However, I do enjoy putting on the headphones and applying a coat or two...going to my "Happy Place".

So, my concern is, would this be harmful to the coating ?

Thanks again everyone.



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[FUNX650]

When it comes to putting Waxes and/or
other types of LSPs on top of Coatings:

Restraint. Practice restraint.


Bob

 

[Mike lambert]

Kamikaze is probably the easiest coating I have ever used, very long time to wipe off.

 

[d33p]

Is this really true? Or is it marketing speak or just speculation? If you need WG Perfekt Finish to prep for Uber coating, why wouldn't they bundle the products? IMO, if Uber coating doesn't last because you didn't stay within the brand for prep, then it should get a terrible review and word will get out that it's just marketing BS to up-sell the WG brand.

Id say marketing hype to make you buy more product. Unless someone says it contains some sort of primer/bonding specifically made for that exact coating you can probably mix and match.

Of course if it fails they will blame the prep anyway.

 

[tarbaush]

When it comes to putting Waxes and/or
other types of LSPs on top of Coatings:

Restraint. Practice restraint.
Bob

Those sound like words from a Zen Master :coolgleam:

 

[zmcgovern45]

If ease of use is a major consideration for you - 22ple VX3 Signature, 22ple VX Pro 2, CQuartz Classic, Optimum Gloss Coat... all are extremely easy to use.