modifying D120

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i have used D120 for a long time. i make it with distilled water, 10:1 as prescribed by the manufacturer. primary uses are INTERIOR glass and we also use it around the house for light cleaning - mirrors, counters, windows, stove, etc. it's so ridiculously cheap, why not.

i generally don't use it on exterior glass; for that i prefer my go to instant detailer: 50% Opti-Clean, 50% OID. i like that the most since i can clean the trim at the same time (particularly on the windscreen) and have less worry about instilling fine scratches, esp. on windows that have piano black trim. it's especially helpful with bugs and stuff.

ANYWAY, i've thought about D120 and i love everything about it except one thing - it doesn't allow the towel to glide on uncoated glass when wiping dry and that can be a pain on certain interior windows. the towel can sort of stick on interior glass if the glass is "squeaky" clean. i love my Glass Master Pro tool, that thing makes life SO much easier on many different types of front/rear glass, but even with it, there is a certain degree of drag with D120 that i wish wasn't there. the towels i use are the Microfiber Madness Cloudbuster or, if that is too thick for certain areas, i'll use the old OPT glass towels. they are super thing and almost abrasive in texture (but aren't).

the solution i've settled on for improving D120 has been adding OID. that was a natural progression since OID is insanely slick and when diluted properly, can be very easy to manage re: streaking. i played with a few different concentrations and i've found ~1/3 of OID made with double the distilled water as prescribed (so, 6:1) and ~2/3 D120 @ 10:1 is the sweet spot. it's just enough OID to allow the towel to glide effortlessly as you buff, but not too much whereas you may end up with some light streaking.

i strongly urge you to try it if you have the materials available. i am a stickler for clean glass and this has been one of the greatest solutions to making life easier in that regard.
 
But sounds interesting. If give it a try if I had some OID


I'd give it a try right now too if it turned out to be QID. I have a full bottle of it that rarely get used so it would've been perfect. Lol.
 
the reason i am using OID specifically is because it's a very light weight solution and SUPER DUPER SLICK, but doesn't have any sort of wax or protection built in, which i believe must be avoided on interior glass due to fogging, etc.

i have A LOT of OID because i used to use it as a drying aid but once i got into Optimum coatings and the blower to dry, and then after that, Dry Me Crazy, i blot now so a drying aid is not practical. then i started to add it to my Opti-Clean to add some slickness to waterless washing. now this. it's neat stuff. i don't think it's a very popular product anymore but i may be wrong.
 
Good idea.^
I wonder if Megs UQD would work the same way.
 
Good idea.^
I wonder if Megs UQD would work the same way.

one of the selling points of that product is that it has a little durability with its hydrophobic properties and it leaves some protection behind. i'd be apprehensive to use it on interior glass but if it's super slick, i guess it can't hurt to bleed it down a bit with distilled water, mix it with D120 and see how it behaves, esp. with humidity. if it acts funny, then some IPA should make the glass bare again.
 
I agree with what you said about D120.
I'm sometimes a bit turned off about using D120 and will substitute it with D114@1:128 when I want my towel to glide along smoother. Plus I like how the D114 doesn't have an adverse affect on my glass towel.
 
I agree with what you said about D120.
I'm sometimes a bit turned off about using D120 and will substitute it with D114@1:128 when I want my towel to glide along smoother. Plus I like how the D114 doesn't have an adverse affect on my glass towel.

that makes sense. similarly, i have used Optimum No Rinse for this before but it's not nearly as slick as that tiny bit of OID. when i say OID is slick...it's CRAZY, esp for being essentially "nothing" in terms of protection or whatever. it's weird. maybe D114 is slicker than ONR.

i am new to D114. i bought a gallon recently and used it for a rinseless. i think it worked well for that. i will be able to have more input once i use it more. unfortunately, they misprinted the labels, apparently, so my first experience with it was that it was a bit soapy at the dilution you've mentioned, vs. the proper 256:1 rinseless ratio. and it liked to streak/spot if not IMMEDIATELY dried, esp. on a panel that isn't purely cold. but, like i said, i need to play with it some more.
 
I've been mixing D120 with Unger Easy Glide glass cleaner to get that slick glide over glass and have had excellent results with that combo. I also had the same issues with D120 not gliding over the glass easily and though it was just me...go figure.
 
i am new to D114. i bought a gallon recently and used it for a rinseless. i think it worked well for that. i will be able to have more input once i use it more. unfortunately, they misprinted the labels, apparently, so my first experience with it was that it was a bit soapy at the dilution you've mentioned, vs. the proper 256:1 rinseless ratio. and it liked to streak/spot if not IMMEDIATELY dried, esp. on a panel that isn't purely cold. but, like i said, i need to play with it some more.


I'm also switching down to the ratio of 1:256 for rinseless after having used it mostly @1:128 in the past. I started with 3 gallons in this bucket, after a few washes I'm about to add more towels and a couple of gallons @1:256 with distilled water.

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I'm also switching down to the ratio of 1:256 for rinseless after having used it mostly @1:128 in the past. I started with 3 gallons in this bucket, after a few washes I'm about to add more towels and a couple of gallons @1:256 with distilled water.

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it seems as if this product has the same sort of softening effect that ONR has, making it compatible with tap water. why do you prefer distilled water for rinseless in that case? then again, you are in California ; )
 
it seems as if this product has the same sort of softening effect that ONR has, making it compatible with tap water. why do you prefer distilled water for rinseless in that case? then again, you are in California ; )


Mostly because I'm OCD. Lol. I figure it's only 3 gallons going into the bucket and it can last a while so why not.
I dilute everything with distilled water.
 
I clean windows with D115 and recently Uber Rinseless. Steaks a little but a clean MF towel light buff takes them out and leaves the windows super slick.
 
Good idea.^
I wonder if Megs UQD would work the same way.
•Both D120 and UQD contain IPA and surfactants.
[D120 also contains "Trade Secret (T.S.) Conditioners"]

•My only cause of concern would be the
compatibility...or the incompatibility, if that
be the case...between the different "type" of
glycol ethers (Series E/P) in these products.


Bob
 
I clean windows with D115 and recently Uber Rinseless. Steaks a little but a clean MF towel light buff takes them out and leaves the windows super slick.

interior glass with D115? how does it do with fogging and temperature changes? in my past experience, anything with protection has left brutal streaks and fogging on interior glass during certain atmospheric/ambient conditions. this was with ONR W&W at wash dilution, though.
 
interior glass with D115? how does it do with fogging and temperature changes? in my past experience, anything with protection has left brutal streaks and fogging on interior glass during certain atmospheric/ambient conditions. this was with ONR W&W at wash dilution, though.


Oh not interior glass. I keep my interior glass as clean as possible and occasionally just wipe down with clean dry MF. If there are oily fingerprints I use Stoners IG. Dog slobber gets Opti-Clean.
 
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