menzerna fg400 then one-step polish

sansa said:
This is a great scheme to explain better what I mean with overlapping.
You can see the 3in1 covers the entire medium, finish and protection section while the sf4000 covers a little space in the finish section.
You can understand that basically if you use fg400+3in1 you're working twice to remove medium scratches (IMHO really more important than very light scratches to reach 10/10 gloss) and you are really sure you removed them
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SF4000 has the ability to finish out whatever is left behind from FG400. SF4000 even has the ability to finish out holograms left behind from a rotary combined with a wool pad and SC300.
 
FUNX650 said:
I'd like to wrap this all up and neatly tie
a bow around it by saying, in a nutshell:

All of your concerns regarding which combination
of Menzerna's "correction fluids" to use for this, or
other detailing projects, can probably be resolved
by first performing the obligatory: "Test Spot".


Bob
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:iagree:
 
NextLevelDtail said:
You can do it but you are shorting your self of gloss, as 3in1 has more abrasives then sf4000, it will look good. But its not going to beat fg400 and sf4000.

However on some paints , (especially hard clears) 3in1 can look better then sf4000.

But 9 times out of 10 I'm going sf4000
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You are the only one who said it isn't actually a stupid idea. I'd like you to explain which are the cases where you can see better results

PS. Pictures would be great if you can
 
Mike@DedicatedPerfection said:
SF4000 has the ability to finish out whatever is left behind from FG400. SF4000 even has the ability to finish out holograms left behind from a rotary combined with a wool pad and SC300.
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Menzerna states 3in1 too has the power of removing holograms...
So talking about shc300 I'd use the 3in1 after that... Because from what I can see in the scheme even these two overlap each other...
Wouldn't it be a good combo? Shc300+3in1
 
FUNX650 said:
I'd like to wrap this all up and neatly tie
a bow around it by saying, in a nutshell:

All of your concerns regarding which combination
of Menzerna's "correction fluids" to use for this, or
other detailing projects, can probably be resolved
by first performing the obligatory: "Test Spot".


Bob
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Seems really few detailers here have tried the 3in1... Ok it's a relatively new product but we can't say fg400+sf4000 is the best without comparing it!
I haven't tried it too but and that's why I'm asking...
So examples and photos would be appreciated
 
Mike@DedicatedPerfection said:
Sansa, do you have any Menzerna products on hand to accomplish test spots to see what, where, and how it works?
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Sorry that message was wrong
Read it above

Anyway like you all I have the fg400 and the sf4000 plus I have the pf2500
I'm considering to buy the 3in1. It depends on what you will suggest me :-)

PS. I could try the pf2500 with the fg400 to try to notice how many medium scratches it removes but I think it would be a difficult test if I compare it with sf4000
 
I have in a few rare cases done this. In cases where a dedicated compound/polish/sealant,time allotment was not possible. On some paints 2500 is all you need to finish properly, 4000,4500 are not always needed. 3 in 1 cuts/finishes like 2500. On some paints that typically react a certain way, I have been baffled that my typical "go to" combos aren't getting me the results I am typically used to, it doesn't happen often, but it does happen. So to answer your question, is it a good idea, to use FG400 followed by 3 in 1? In some cases, yes, it will net some fantastic results on some finishes. Which ones? Who knows until you try it.
 
sansa said:
Hello everyone. Is that a good idea to use the one step polish 3in1 after fg400 instead of the same old sf4000?
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Heck yeah it's okay. As long as when you wipe the 3in1 off it looks good to you go for it.

FG 400 finished down like a polish when worked correctly so all you need the 3in1 to do is clean up any haze left by the compound and the pad.


I just cut an old 2-door Ford with a real aggressive compound and then finished it with a real light cleaner/wax and the car is sitting pretty out in the garage this morning waiting for me to get out their and finish the interior and top.


:)
 
Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
Heck yeah it's okay. As long as when you wipe the 3in1 off it looks good to you go for it.

FG 400 finished down like a polish when worked correctly so all you need the 3in1 to do is clean up any haze left by the compound and the pad.


I just cut an old 2-door Ford with a real aggressive compound and then finished it with a real light cleaner/wax and the car is sitting pretty out in the garage this morning waiting for me to get out their and finish the interior and top.


:)
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Great Mike! Thanks for your comment. So my reasonament wasn't wrong...
There is always the possibility to leave a small amount of swirls and scratches even with great products like the fg400. With the 3in1 we sacrifice a little the really small swirls but we're 100% sure we correct all the mistakes made before...
 
sansa said:
The topic is not about the durability because everyone knows the durability is not even comparable to sealants
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Was not asking you! I was asking Mike and he answered.
 
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