Tire Coatings(Revamped)

[PiPUK]

1. Tire coating don't look as good as high quality dressings, but they last much longer.

This will depend upon the product. It is doubtful that you have tried them all. The product which we sell (which, for business reasons I cannot detail) looks a lot like a glossy silicone dressing when you first apply it, but it is totally dry. You would struggle to get much more gloss.

2. APCs or "Bleche Whites" (what is "bleche"?), are not sufficient to clean the tire initially if you want GUARANTEED success. Cleaning tires that have had a lot of previous dressings applied is difficult - even with the correct cleaner. Plan on a whole afternoon and more than 16oz of cleaner to do the job.

However, the correct cleaner can be diluted 1:1 with water and used in a foaming sprayer to go significantly farther.





This has not panned out to be true.

Without knowing what product you might have used and how, it is hard to comment. I know for certain that our primary APC will remove silicone dressings leaving them as I detailed. A risk, of course, is that an APC will typically have surfactants which can cover up, rather than just remove. If you fail to rinse adequately, you can think you have a hydrophillic finish and that the silicones are gone, but in fact the silicone is just underneath and then a coating on top may well fail. This is analagous to what happens when people put Dawn onto an LSP - lots of people think it strips almost anything but it doesn't, it just covers it up.

 

[willowcat11]

Hey guys, Thanks a million for the responses. And I definitely don't want to seem closed minded towards the TW Endura. It's just when I have spent a lot of money on stuff like some TW products in the past, and feel like the money was wasted on stuff that wasn't performing well, I just lost my trust in that brand name.

Now, I trust some of you guys who I have been communicating with regularly on here. And you are saying the TW Endura is a worthy product. Now I may give it a try, based on those trustworthy members reviews of it.

But everyone, thank you for your honest reviews, suggestions, and patience while I'm trying to figure a lot of this stuff out. I am glad we have a place like this where we can share our opinions, results, and passions for detailing on a forum like this.

Take care all!


Ray

 

[DBAILEY]

2. APCs or "Bleche Whites" (what is "bleche"?), are not sufficient to clean the tire initially if you want GUARANTEED success. Cleaning tires that have had a lot of previous dressings applied is difficult - even with the correct cleaner. Plan on a whole afternoon and more than 16oz of cleaner to do the job.

QUOTE]

It's the name of a name brand product Westley's Bleche-White (owned by Black Magic). The bleche/bleach part is leftover from when whitewalls tires were in fashion and the cleaner would get them white again.

Its an old school tire cleaner that really cleans well you can get OTC. It has always reminded me of Amazing Roll-Off cleaner (minus the wax layer left behind). It does not cause excessive leeching of the good stuff in the tire (wax and carbon black).

Everytime that I have followed with the DP tire cleaner I get white suds. I still use the DP 3x like the directions say, I just don't need as much now.

 

[swanicyouth]

Don't get me wrong, I have a great liking towards certain things like everyone does.. For example I love Cadillacs, and part of that has to do with being proud to buy American made.. But I cannot deny quality when I see it. A Mercedes Benz SL500 convertable is a good example.. If I had the money to buy a Bentley would I hold back simply because of my loyalty to a certain brand? Probably not. Would you? If so, why? For who?

I guess we differ here. I like to support companies that regularly bring interesting and innovative products to market, pertinent to this discussion are PBMG and Tuff Shine. I have no interested in Bentley - regardless if I can afford it or not.

I guess I'm somewhat passionate about detailing... So, maybe it matters to me for this niche. Maybe TW makes a few decent products - even a broken clock is right twice a day. If supporting manufacturers that consistently bring quality to the market labels me as a "fan boy" - so be it.

Just try to remember, it's the support of companies like DP (a division under PBMG) that make this forum possible. Does TW have a detailing forum? How great is it over there?

This will depend upon the product. It is doubtful that you have tried them all. The product which we sell (which, for business reasons I cannot detail) looks a lot like a glossy silicone dressing when you first apply it, but it is totally dry. You would struggle to get much more gloss.







Without knowing what product you might have used and how, it is hard to comment. I know for certain that our primary APC will remove silicone dressings leaving them as I detailed. A risk, of course, is that an APC will typically have surfactants which can cover up, rather than just remove. If you fail to rinse adequately, you can think you have a hydrophillic finish and that the silicones are gone, but in fact the silicone is just underneath and then a coating on top may well fail. This is analagous to what happens when people put Dawn onto an LSP - lots of people think it strips almost anything but it doesn't, it just covers it up.

Maybe you guys make a magic APC. Dunno. But there have been numerous failures reported on detailing forums of people who try to clean silicone dressings with various APCs only for the tire coatings to quickly fail (peel), simply because they didn't use the correct cleaner.

As for tire coatings looking as good a high quality dressing - I guess that is subjective, and my opinion still stands with me. Yes, I have not tried every tire coating. But in all fairness, you will not name the coating (or APC) you are referencing either.

 

[Klasse Act]

Without looking the DP tire coating was on BOGO, well worth a look.

I'm the one who did the comparison thread between TW and DP and results speak for themselves. That said, I still think DP tire coating is a solid product for sure. The fact that it's on BOGO says something to me though. Well that or it's being reformulated, DP seems to release a product and then later only to release a "new & improved" version, so we'll have to wait and see on that one.

As far as not trusting TW products because of past performance, well, that's understandable but I see a lot of people driving Caddy's today and they did release a car called the Cimmaron back in the day (1983 or so till 89) and it was nothing more than a Cavalier with leather interior and a hood ornament aka "Cavalliac". Point being, sometimes old companies get their collective heads out of their arses and put out a truely stunning product....TW tire coating non-aerosol IS one of those products or to tie it into my Caddy compassion, the CTS-V of tire coatings (or ATS-V if you like a smaller Caddy available with 3 pedals and ass kicking twin turbo'd V6)

Sent from my LGLS990 using Tapatalk

 

[Eldorado2k]

As far as not trusting TW products because of past performance, well, that's understandable but I see a lot of people driving Caddy's today and they did release a car called the Cimmaron back in the day (1983 or so till 89) and it was nothing more than a Cavalier with leather interior and a hood ornament aka "Cavalliac"

And don't forget the Cadillac Catera

 

[Klasse Act]

And don't forget the Cadillac Catera

Well yeah but I didn't wanna go too far off topic so I chose the biggest turd, LOL.

I'm subscribed to this thread BTW

Sent from my LGLS990 using Tapatalk

 

[Eldorado2k]

Well yeah but I didn't wanna go too far off topic so I chose the biggest turd, LOL.

I'm subscribed to this thread BTW

Sent from my LGLS990 using Tapatalk

You brought up a good point though.lol.

Personally, I can't recall being burned by a detailing product so bad that I'd refuse to ever buy anything again.. I did mention Rain X the other day, but that mostly has to do with the fact that it hardly ever rains over here so it's not even worth the fuss of applying + having to deal with negative side affects.

I never bought Turtle Wax in the past, so I never had a bad experience with them.

 

[The Guz]

The thing about DP is that regular tire cleaners won't take off a fresh application. I have a write up on Autopia on how to remove it based on what Nick mentioned to me.

One has to take tire manufacturer into account as affecting the longevity and not only the cleaning preparation. Can't go wrong with either product.

 

[Klasse Act]

The thing about DP is that regular tire cleaners won't take off a fresh application. I have a write up on Autopia on how to remove it based on what Nick mentioned to me.

One has to take tire manufacturer into account as affecting the longevity and not only the cleaning preparation. Can't go wrong with either product.

Well said and the comment about rubber especially

Sent from my LGLS990 using Tapatalk