Waterless Wash that leaves nothing behind?
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BrutalNoodle
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I remember that post well, as I was back & forth whether to pick up D114. At the time I had more than half a gal of Pinn Rinseless Wash & Gloss and a 1/3 gal of ONR. Boy, am I glad I did. So versatile the D114, it should be illegal. lol
AG should offer a sample size for this product, IMO. There used to be a few vendors that one could get a 16oz or 32oz sample. Not anymore, I don't think.
I'm thinking this as well. Sparkling shine from simply being so clean, and D114 cleans better than all of my other rinseless solutions. For the dirtiest rinseless job, I don't think there is an equal (yet).
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Agreed
It does look sharp after d114.
I think a sample size would sell even more product. Hard to get a gallon to try it out. I'm glad I did though
Seems odd that the SDS seems to indicate something is left behind when the chemists claim to be stumped. Even at low dilution levels, there is just less of it.
Some of the posts by PipUK are uncomfortable because, using science and facts, they shatter what has been parroted thousands of times but just because we tell ourselves something over and over doesn't make it true.
Some of the posts by PipUK are uncomfortable because, using science and facts, they shatter what has been parroted thousands of times but just because we tell ourselves something over and over doesn't make it true.
I can only comment on what is in the product. It has a quat compound and quats are surface substantive. At higher dilutions, the level may be such that there is practically nothing left, but it remains that you have something which is inherently attracted to the surface.
Stripping - yeah right. If he is commenting with respect to megs LSP/wax products, it doesn't say a whole lot of them. To give some idea of how hard it is to strip a good protectant product... we make some of our mixes in a 200L stainless tank. After our best detailer has been through, the tank is really really water repellent. That water repellency typically is retained for numerous days and can comfortable survive strong alkalinity and even caustics and solvents, for the time in which it will be immersed (which can be several hours). Eventually, it will wear off, but it is bloody difficult.
Sorry but I don't buy the megs opinion.
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I was all ready to prove you wrong, then I found out that Rick not only isn't really selling sample sizes any more, he's not even selling the Detailer line any more, which is crazy, that was his whole thing in the beginning.
Setec Astronomy
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Perhaps they were fooled by the beading death like so many of us were with other products.
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I could not believe my eyes after reading what you just mentioned. I had to go and check for myself. Low 'N Behold I don't see that lineup on the site anymore.
That is crazy without a doubt! I wonder why?
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It looks like he has dropped all the (non-polish) liquids from his store; I was just sending him an email.
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Crazy for sure. Let us know if you wouldn't mind.
As far as "something left behind" I think it only is relevant to us if it hinders bonding of the lsp.
ONR is compatible with the lsp's that I spray on after a wash, not sure about the rest. So in that sense it is essentially, to me, free of anything left behind.
but common sense says you cannot have improved slickness and gloss from a product and also say nothing is left behind to creat this effect.
ONR is compatible with the lsp's that I spray on after a wash, not sure about the rest. So in that sense it is essentially, to me, free of anything left behind.
but common sense says you cannot have improved slickness and gloss from a product and also say nothing is left behind to creat this effect.
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He said the shipping costs have gotten too high on those kind of items so he's focusing on more "shipping friendly" items. Great guy to deal with; hope he'll be ok.
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Odd. So I take it he's not bothering with anything bigger than 32oz.
He is a great guy to deal with for sure. Wishing him the best in his decisions.
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The problem with this is that it can't leave something behind at one dilution and nothing behind at another. That's simply not possible. It can of course leave less behind at a lower dilution.
This is an issue that's been bugging me and I'm trying to figure out what products are getting layered on top of one another. For now I'm doing a waterless rinse (wet towel) after any application except my topping. For example, I'm rinsing after compound, polish, and waterless wash.
I plan to use a 114/alcohol wipe before applying a sealant or coating. I'll follow that with a water wipe as well to ensure there is no 114 on the paint before I apply sealant. There has to be some soap left behind. The only way there can't be is for it to be volatile, like alcohol.
You could argue that at 128:1 or 256:1 there's not enough of it there to matter.
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The problem with this is that it can't leave something behind at one dilution and nothing behind at another. That's simply not possible. It can of course leave less behind at a lower dilution.
This is an issue that's been bugging me and I'm trying to figure out what products are getting layered on top of one another. For now I'm doing a waterless rinse (wet towel) after any application except my topping. For example, I'm rinsing after compound, polish, and waterless wash.
I plan to use 114/alcohol before applying a sealant or coating. I'll wipe that down with water as well to ensure there is no 114 leaf before I apply sealant. There's no way there can't be some soap left behind. The only way this would be possible is if it were volatile, and I don't believe it is.
You could argue that at 128:1 or 256:1 there's not enough of it there to matter.
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Couldn't the same be said (alleged) for just
about every car-wash/cleaning product?
•BTW:
-How much rinsing-with-water will it take
to ensure that all of the "soap" is gone?
-What "type" of water will you be using?
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Holy geeking out! This thread sounds like a bunch of NASA geeks discussing some million dollar ISS experiment. I'm not arguing because I think there are some very valid points. I'm guessing some of you have very accomplished backgrounds in chemistry and other related fields.
Someone needs to do a scientific laboratory experiment. Medical/electro tics grade distilled water mixed with d114 at exactly thr recommended dilution ratios. Use sterile applicator to apply d114 and measure the amount of residue left behind after using a towel to dry. I'm guessing if the instruments are sensitive enough there will be the smallest amount residual surfactants/whatever left behind. The towels microscopic lint would have to be removed of course.
Who is game?
Someone needs to do a scientific laboratory experiment. Medical/electro tics grade distilled water mixed with d114 at exactly thr recommended dilution ratios. Use sterile applicator to apply d114 and measure the amount of residue left behind after using a towel to dry. I'm guessing if the instruments are sensitive enough there will be the smallest amount residual surfactants/whatever left behind. The towels microscopic lint would have to be removed of course.
Who is game?