Does anyone here (besides me) not use grit guards?

Eldorado2K, beat me to it! I use a two bucket method both with grit guards. Over the time even using them I still had to take the time to spray my mitts before even putting them into my rinse bucket. And I understand there job is to keep dirt at the bottom of the bucket, I will not argue if they do or don't. But when I rubbed them on the guard it stirs up the water quite a bit. So in my mind I think of it as mixing the dirt back into the solution, and do I have to wait for it to settle? So I started with more wash mitts. At first is was do a panel top to bottom, turn it over, and another panel top to bottom, then that mitt was discarded and went to a fresh one. I now have 12 mitts on stand by. And yes I do launder all used after every wash. Gives me peace of mind. As long as weather permits my car doesn't get dirty. Since the weather is here to finally take care of it, gets 1-2 washes a week, but I also use a power washer and foam cannon with every wash. My first rinseless wash product will arrive tomorrow, Wolfgang Uber I hope I picked a good one for my first!
 
Lots of opinions here, but I think it's important to keep an open mind.

Those who support a Grit Guard make the following assumptions:
1. Dirt is scraped off the wash mitt by the guard (why else would they now make a washboard version?)
2. Dirt falls to the bottom of the bucket due to gravity
3. Dirt stays at the bottom and doesn't ascend during agitation of the water and because of the panels of the Grit Guard
4. Therefore, the actual wash/water coming in contact with a sponge/mitt is less contaminated and, therefore, one is less likely to instill scratches or swirls on the paint.

Proponents also argue:
1. Grit Guards are inexpensive, so why not use one?

I use two Grit Guards (wash and rinse buckets) because they are cheap.

As for my take on the issue of whether they help or not:
1. Show me the data.

I won't be apologetic about it since I am a scientist and an academician. There are lots of things that in theory seem to be reasonable conclusions based upon the purpose of a process. One does not need a randomized placebo controlled trial to see if parachutes save lives when jumping out of an airplane, but in most other cases, you really need some good data to run with an assertion that some method is superior to another.

Grit Guards may be proxies for people who are already meticulous with car washing. Most of us already have pretty swirl-free cars, use QD when needed, have great LSP on our cars and wash as often as it's prudent. The fact of the matter is that solids do suspend in solution, and not all of this will descend to the bottom of the bucket. The act of plunging a sponge/mitt into the medium will cause agitation of the solution and disruption of any solids on the bottom of the bucket.

For those that use 2 buckets or 3 buckets, how can you not account for the variable of rinsing 1 or 2 times? Maybe that is what frees the dirt from the mitt and saves the paint. What about those who use 1 or 2 rinse buckets and 2 or more wash mitts? Maybe it's the detergent in the wash and rinse buckets that create an immiscible solid and it doesn't get back into the MF. I alternate wash mitts when I wash my car. Maybe it's the alternation of wash mitts and the extra soaking/rinsing that saves the paint and not the grit guard. Maybe it's all components combined. Maybe it's the fact that my car is pretty clean in general and that it's coated that saves the paint when I wash it. Maybe my wash technique is great. Maybe my wash technique sucks but all these other things compensate for my technique. What about foaming before or soaking with ONR before a wash? Shouldn't that help too?

My point is that the a priori conclusion that Grit Guards work because they look like they work and because we see dirt at the bottom of a bucket is unfounded. I'm sure there are plenty of people (as demonstrated here) that don't use them and have swirl-free cars. But, there are probably multiple variables that go into washing and maintaining a car.

Of course, a simple response will be: every little bit helps. Possibly. But how much?

Do Grit Guards worsen the outcome? Probably not, but I have no data to support that either.

As for now, I'll continue to use them because they make sense -- generally speaking. But I do a lot of things that make sense when in reality there's no proof that it actually makes a difference.

Another thought: If you plan on doing a full correction of a car that already is heavily swirled, does it matter in this situation especially?

(BTW, I just bought the washboard.)

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Just look at them as cheap insurance, you may not need them every time with a traditional two bucket,but maybe the one time you do it saves you from a few scratches.
 
Question for the people who use Grit Guards in both buckets:

When you're done washing a dirty vehicle, is there Any dirt or grit in the bottom of your Wash bucket? Please be honest.
 
Honestly I have seen muck in the bottom of my buckets a couple times. But that was before I started using multiple mitts, and a power washer, and cannon. But like I said a couple time maybe three.
 
I won't be apologetic about it since I am a scientist and an academician. There are lots of things that in theory seem to be reasonable conclusions based upon the purpose of a process. One does not need a randomized placebo controlled trial to see if parachutes save lives when jumping out of an airplane, but in most other cases, you really need some good data to run with an assertion that some method is superior to another.

My point is that the a priori conclusion that Grit Guards work because they look like they work and because we see dirt at the bottom of a bucket is unfounded. I'm sure there are plenty of people (as demonstrated here) that don't use them and have swirl-free cars. But, there are probably multiple variables that go into washing and maintaining a car.

Do Grit Guards worsen the outcome? Probably not, but I have no data to support that either.

As for now, I'll continue to use them because they make sense -- generally speaking. But I do a lot of things that make sense when in reality there's no proof that it actually makes a difference.

(BTW, I just bought the washboard.)

Thanks for the rational viewpoint, the discussion of unknown or overlooked variables (or as Donald Rumsfeld would say, the unknown knowns or something like that). Despite all the uncertainty regarding particle size, specific gravity, flocculation, turbulence effects, there is enough "goodness" in the Grit Guard just keeping wash media that sinks, off the bottom of the bucket, to justify it.

I just bought a Washboard also, haven't used it yet.

Question for the people who use Grit Guards in both buckets:

When you're done washing a dirty vehicle, is there Any dirt or grit in the bottom of your Wash bucket? Please be honest.

I only have a GG in my rinse buckets, I use a foam gun for conventional (so no wash/soap bucket), and (usually just) a regular (HD 2.5 gallon translucent paint bucket) with no Grit Guard as my rinseless wash bucket. Any dirt or grit in the bottom, honestly? Virtually none. But that goes back to Mr. Welch's point about variables--my conclusion is I'm pretty conscientious about cleaning the wash media in the rinse bucket before it goes back to the wash bucket.
 
Question for the people who use Grit Guards in both buckets:

When you're done washing a dirty vehicle, is there Any dirt or grit in the bottom of your Wash bucket? Please be honest.

I see it at the bottom of the rinse bucket.....but I've never really looked at the wash bucket
 
For the couple bucks the grit guards are, and for the minimal time it takes, to me it's well worth it. I guess it all just depends on how fussy you are and how nice you want to keep your paint.

I use a foam gun every time on my personal cars and customer cars as well. I don't want to spend hours upon hours getting my paint pristine again.

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for around $10 (last forever) and takes a few seconds to drop in the bucket, why not?
 
I don't throw my mitts to the bottom of either buckets so having the GG won't make a difference for me.

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I use a janitorial supply rolling mop bucket and a deck scrubbing brush from Home Depot. I spray the car down with Spray Nine so I know it gets really clean. I scrub the bottom of the car first to get all the heavy dirt off. The water in the bucket gets really dirty, that's how I know I'm doing it right. You guys are really overthinking this car washing thing....


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