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I posted a similar thread on Autopia just looking for opinions.

Cliffs:
-Polished my 15 Accord Sedan yesterday w/ CG V38 & LC white pads with Rupes 15ES.
- Wiped down with eraser
-Coated using Cquartz, buffed off fairly quickly as it was 80+ in garage.
- **Only used maybe 1/3 of 30 ml bottle.

Its been sitting in garage since yesterday what would you guys do? Also I'm out of the suede towels :bash:

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So today was the day...whole thing took about 7.5 hours. I cheated a bit and cleaned the tires and wheels on Saturday, then yesterday it rained all day so the car was parked. Anyways...

Tires: Meguiars D143 (1:1) Just got this and really like it, was using Tuff Shine tire cleaner but this seems more economical.
Wheels: CG Diablo Wheel gel, diluted per the bottle.
Decon Wash: CarPro Snow Foam (about half bottle) in hose foam gun. Didn`t really see a lot of color reaction on the paint.
Wash: CG W&G (~4/5 oz) 2BM w/ gritguards.
Decon: Mothers Clay and nanoskin(?) clayblock with Mother`s showtime as lube.
Polish: CG V38 Polish with White LC Pads w/ Rupes LHR ES15
Wipedown: Carpro Eraser
Coating: CQuartz.

As far as the polishing goes I was kind of disappointed that a few of the scratches on the hood remained after a few passes with the v38. This could be a user error on my part as I haven`t used the polisher a lot nor have I really corrected besides playing around with my beat up Jeep paint. Another problem was I was doing the whole detail at a relatives house (no garage access) so I had to pack up all my stuff and didn`t bring any other Orange pads of the v36 that I also have. Doing a test spot probably would`ve allowed me to dial it in but you live and learn...I was annoyed at first then thought about it and the car is a DD so it doesn`t have to be perfect. The few scratches that are there are hard to see anyways.



If and when I attempt this again in the future would I be better off trying an AIO such as HD Speed with Orange pads? I had the v34,v36,v38 polishes from a large lot deal I bought but I don`t think I have the patience for multi step correction, at least yet. Also forgot how tedious the taping can be too.

The garage was kind of dusty and i found myself wiping down the roof alot..after the eraser I applied the coating which seemed to go on pretty easy. It was 80+ out so I only waited a few minutes for it to flash but there wasn`t much grab/resistance I`m hoping I didn`t take it off too soon. I only coated the hood twice because I ran out of those suede applicators, wasn`t sure how long to use before going to a new one...

Just going to let the car sit in the garage for 24 hrs to avoid it getting wet. After that its fine to get wet but wait 7 days to wash?

Also kind of concerned about how much (or lack there of) of the Cquartz that I used...I would usually put 3 to 4 drops on the applicator do the area and repeat, tho it seems like I`m left with ~2/3 of the 30 ml bottle...

Cant figure out how to make font all same size on mobile.

Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
 
Did you see the product cover the panel,if so there is material on there.Before coating I rewash car with a hint of apc and carwash soap with no wax,then erase all the panels to ensure adhesion of coating.wet the car and see how the hydrophobic sheeting acts.
 
That's another thing I should've added the lighting was kind of poor and I had a few LED flashlights but they weren't much help. Haven't tested properties yet, it'll be 24 hours in a few hours.

Another question, since re-coating seems to be a possibility does anyone know if those suede towels or something similar can be sourced locally?

Thats how much was used....

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That's a lot of coating used.I would wait and see if you applied it correctly.In the mean time order some cloths.Did you use the block applicator with the suede over it.I personally just use the cloths.check your cloth has it hardened yet,if so I think you are good.
 
I just placed an order, thank god for 1 day shipping options on Amazon lol...I used the application sponge thing with the clothes over it and it seemed to work well. I threw out all the used clothes.

I think the plan is now to pick up the car and drive it is as little as possible and do as you say on Thursday and recoat it Friday possibly, unless anyone else chimes in.

Thanks for the help!
 
Don't recoat unless you see total application failure.Dont use the blocks,fold the cloth into 4 and just use that much easier.you may get some high spots but it's very contoured to all the panels that way.If you have to recoat there is a promblem somewhere.you will more than likely have to strip the car to ensure its done right this time around.
 
Ok I guess I'll just spray it with some water and see how it reacts? Even if I did get a full coat, wouldn't the protection not last as long in theory?
 
Celticsfan said:
That's another thing I should've added the lighting was kind of poor and I had a few LED flashlights but they weren't much help.
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This is one of your big mistakes. If you're planning on detailing your car, and ESPECIALLY if you're applying wax, sealant, or coating, ALWAYS have LOTS of light so you can see everything you're doing. Working in the dark, or even just low light, can cause you to miss all sorts of important details. I've done it in the past, and every time I did, when I was driving the car in the daylight the next day, I found lots of spots where I missed some wax, etc..

If you're working in a garage, or really any place with low light, at least get something like this:

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I always pull mine out whenever I apply any kind of LSP to my paint, and it has always helped me catch something I would have otherwise overlooked.
 
SirTanon said:
This is one of your big mistakes. If you're planning on detailing your car, and ESPECIALLY if you're applying wax, sealant, or coating, ALWAYS have LOTS of light so you can see everything you're doing. Working in the dark, or even just low light, can cause you to miss all sorts of important details. I've done it in the past, and every time I did, when I was driving the car in the daylight the next day, I found lots of spots where I missed some wax, etc..

If you're working in a garage, or really any place with low light, at least get something like this:

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I always pull mine out whenever I apply any kind of LSP to my paint, and it has always helped me catch something I would have otherwise overlooked.
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Won't make that mistake again, it wasn't dark and there we're a few overhead lights just not ideal for detailing, had to make do with what I had. I'll have to look into the light stand, LEDs for that as well correct ?
I did go over the paint with the flashlight but we'll see when I pull it out today.
 
The ones I use are similar to the picture I posted, and are standard halogens. I chose those because they were 1) BRIGHT, and 2) reasonably cheap. Lowe's had them for about $35 each. They get a bit hot, so at some point I'll probably upgrade with some LEDs if I can, but these work great and provide all the light I could possibly need.
 
GSKR said:
why would you think that?
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Was just thinking that based on not using as much as I thought of and theoretically having applied a "thinner" layer.

Anyways onto the pictures:

Heres the lighting I was working with, a couple over head, definitely could've used 4+ overhead as well as the work light. The sunlight did help:

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And after cleaning the windows and trim, and dressing the tires. Still had some stubborn water spots on the glass that the RainX window cleaner didn't take care of...

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Went to car wash to check out water beading...
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Beaded and sheeted well
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A few more, had a storm coming and it rained pretty good, glad it was after the 24 hr mark..
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All taken with an iPhone don't have a nice camera, hoping tomorrow I can get some better pics. I looked over the car nothing really stuck out besides a little polish that got on the sunroof trim.

The paint seemed to be extremely hydrophobic and the water just ran off and then beaded up. The car was wet after the coin-op rinse and was dry after being on the highway for a few minutes.

And a few short clips of the water reaction:
[video]http://vid1049.photobucket.com/albums/s397/Tim_Stonge/IMG_8772_zpsbxyspxou.mp4[/video]

[video]http://vid1049.photobucket.com/albums/s397/Tim_Stonge/IMG_8776_zpskesnf6cv.mp4[/video]
 
Celticsfan said:
Was just thinking that based on not using as much as I thought of and theoretically having applied a "thinner" layer.

Anyways onto the pictures:

Heres the lighting I was working with, a couple over head, definitely could've used 4+ overhead as well as the work light. The sunlight did help:

View attachment 49034

And after cleaning the windows and trim, and dressing the tires. Still had some stubborn water spots on the glass that the RainX window cleaner didn't take care of...

View attachment 49035

View attachment 49036

View attachment 49037

View attachment 49038

View attachment 49039

View attachment 49040

Went to car wash to check out water beading...
View attachment 49041

Beaded and sheeted well
View attachment 49042

A few more, had a storm coming and it rained pretty good, glad it was after the 24 hr mark..
View attachment 49043

View attachment 49044

All taken with an iPhone don't have a nice camera, hoping tomorrow I can get some better pics. I looked over the car nothing really stuck out besides a little polish that got on the sunroof trim.

The paint seemed to be extremely hydrophobic and the water just ran off and then beaded up. The car was wet after the coin-op rinse and was dry after being on the highway for a few minutes.

And a few short clips of the water reaction:
[video]http://vid1049.photobucket.com/albums/s397/Tim_Stonge/IMG_8772_zpsbxyspxou.mp4[/video]

[video]http://vid1049.photobucket.com/albums/s397/Tim_Stonge/IMG_8776_zpskesnf6cv.mp4[/video]
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That's good news
 
GSKR said:
That's good news
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A huge relief, not sure if I can tell a huge difference and should've taken more before pics with better lighting, but I don't think it sat on the dealer lot long and it's been washed properly since I got it so the paint seemed to be in good shape.


• Now I have those suede towels coming today and don't need them haha...anyways what's the shelf life on the open bottle? I thought I read somewhere 18 months ?

• Can I just use the rest on the wheels? I definitely need to remove them and get the barrels.

• And when you use just the towels to apply you said you fold in 4, do you just switch to a new side when you feel like it's time or use a whole new towel?

• Last question for now, I know reload is a reccomended topper and have read about the streaking problems, any other products out there? I have the Hydro2 Lite I've been using for the wheels.


Thanks for all of the help.
 
First real wash after the coating. Used uber rinseless, was mostly pollen that rinsed off. Still having issues with water spots after drying, mightve been dried rain or just something in the water. I used the guzzler HD to dry followed up by a regular waffle weave drying towel seemed to work well. Any other suggestions with the guzzler? Seemed to streak when I just used it alone. Picked up some reset soap but still looking for a some kind of topper don't want to deal with the reload problems.

A few iPhone pics, was getting dark.

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I would talk to Corey about the spots and your scenarios see what his input is and or at least get spotless from Carpro to remove the water spots. I don't think the amount of coating you used is too little, if you got good coverage then it is what it is IMO. It may not be what others always use quantity wise but each person seems to use a different amount of coating product. Like gloss coat for instance comes with only 10. Some coatings come with 50 it's just hard to say, I think if the area is too saturated you are going to run into problems on removal and more chances of high spots. Good coverage is good coverage if you used 3 or 20 you are the one there working on the car I don't think there is a definitive answer
 
I thought I would throw in some info about the V38. It's not going to take out scratches. It's a finishing polish. It'll only take out the lightest imperfections.
 
MattPersman said:
I would talk to Corey about the spots and your scenarios see what his input is and or at least get spotless from Carpro to remove the water spots. I don't think the amount of coating you used is too little, if you got good coverage then it is what it is IMO. It may not be what others always use quantity wise but each person seems to use a different amount of coating product. Like gloss coat for instance comes with only 10. Some coatings come with 50 it's just hard to say, I think if the area is too saturated you are going to run into problems on removal and more chances of high spots. Good coverage is good coverage if you used 3 or 20 you are the one there working on the car I don't think there is a definitive answer
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I'm wondering if it's just hard water or dried rain, had similar "problems" before the coating. It isn't super noticeable. Might try the vinegar/distilled water trick. And I'd like to think I got good coverage but was first coating and not optimal lighting. I'm assuming the opened bottle should be good for a year? Mayb try it again next year.

AuroraDetailing said:
I thought I would throw in some info about the V38. It's not going to take out scratches. It's a finishing polish. It'll only take out the lightest imperfections.
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I've noticed that afterwards, wondering if an orange pad would've taken them out, almost impossible to see just have to be at the right angle and light the rest of the paint looks good tho. Will probably try HD Speed with orange pads next time. I'll have to experiment with the 34/36/38 polishes on my
Jeep.
 
I have had very good luck using this application method.

I bought several small, very soft sponges. I wrap them in really thin plastic wrap then wrap them with the CarPro suede clothes. This keeps the product from soaking into the sponge and being wasted. Then i throw away the suede cloth. And throw away the plastic wrap too. I have never tried to re-use the cloth.
 
oldmodman said:
I have had very good luck using this application method.

I bought several small, very soft sponges. I wrap them in really thin plastic wrap then wrap them with the CarPro suede clothes. This keeps the product from soaking into the sponge and being wasted. Then i throw away the suede cloth. And throw away the plastic wrap too. I have never tried to re-use the cloth.
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Interesting might have to try that next time around.

Still looking for reccomendations for a topper..
 
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