Will rinseless washing more than 1-2x a week cause too much damage?

Lol that's what I need to start doing. Washing in the dark. Maybe I'll have less stress in my life
 
If your car has a good wax or sealant on it you are hard pressed inducing scratches and swirls using ONR. I stepped it up a notch and use ONRW&S which leaves a really nice shine. I wash at least 3 times a week (in summer-in Canada) and car looks great for DD. On another note I have started using a California Duster every dry day and so far no problems (construction around workplace causing severe dusting). I guess the bottom line is if you have proper protection (which I spend a lot of time maintaining) then ONR or ONRW&S will not harm your white paint if applied daily.
 
The good wax coating is part of what's slowing me down. I just got a get-me-by coat (no correction first) on my wife's Q5 so I'll be able to do her car. My car is stuck in purgatory where it needs a full service before I'll go Rinseless with it.

I picked up Wolfgang Uber Rinseless and Optimum No Rinse Wash and Wax as it seemed the more apples to apples comparison (vs plain ONR). I've got a stack of the buff and shine grey/blue Rinseless towels, the Autogeek Rinseless microfiber mitt, the Griot's microfiber mit, and a stack of the black micros for wheels/jams. I've been planning on going single bucket/single towel use approach while I get used to the process.

Marc's Mobile- do I understand that while you recommend the stack-o-towels approach for safety, you've had fine luck doing single bucket/repeat use ONR washes?

Thanks for all the input!
 
oneheadlite said:
Marc's Mobile- do I understand that while you recommend the stack-o-towels approach for safety, you've had fine luck doing single bucket/repeat use ONR washes?
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I noticed while watching you tube videos, that the experienced pros who have been doing rinseless washes for YEARS (scottwax, Ivan Lacroix, & Darren Green come to mind) seem to use one bucket, one wash mitt or sponge, and go fast / aren't all that careful, it appears. That could mean that 1) their technique is just really good, 2) they are less concerned about scratches since they're planning to polish/correct anyway, or 3) rinseless washes are just much more safe than we realize.
 
Will washing my car too often damage it?
Just exactly how often should I wash my car?

IMO:
It's kinda like performing a balancing act:



Bob
 
Quote from oneheadlite - ---Marc's Mobile- do I understand that while you recommend the stack-o-towels approach for safety, you've had fine luck doing single bucket/repeat use ONR washes?

I recommend the multiple towel method (GDWM) to anyone who wants to do a Rinseless Wash because I know it's the safest way since the wash solution never gets contaminated. I am not that worried about my daily drivers so i just usually use one bucket with ONR (which is recommended by Optimum) with an Autogeek Rinseless Wash Mitt or a Big Red Sponge with no problems. This way I avoid laundry and keep from getting my nice towels dirty

http://www.autogeek.net/rinseless-wash-mitt.html

http://www.autogeek.net/optimum-big-red-wash-sponge.html
 
Chloe92us said:
I noticed while watching you tube videos, that the experienced pros who have been doing rinseless washes for YEARS (scottwax, Ivan Lacroix, & Darren Green come to mind) seem to use one bucket, one wash mitt or sponge, and go fast / aren't all that careful, it appears. That could mean that 1) their technique is just really good, 2) they are less concerned about scratches since they're planning to polish/correct anyway, or 3) rinseless washes are just much more safe than we realize.
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When I first started detailing, my buddy started his own business and took some class in California that cost about $2500. Not sure who's it was, but must have been someone decent for that amount of money. He taught me what he learned from that class and I worked for him for awhile. We used a waterless wash with a Boss sprayer, and we flew around cars with it. With two of us, we would literally get a car wiped down in under 5 minutes. Didn't even bother drying it, but it wouldn't be that wet to begin with, but left all kinds of streaks. Then go at it with clay bars, and that was our drying/streak removal process as we wiped up as we clayed. Any other stray streaks were completely wiped out during polishing. If we weren't going to clay and polish then it was just a quick wipe down with a spray detailer before applying wax. I see a lot of people doing full washes, which is probably the best way, but I don't bother with it even on my own vehicles. I'll break out the hose or stop by a self serve car wash to knock off heavy dirt if I have to just to conserve towels sometimes, but that's about it.

But yeah, on the waterless wash part, we just fly through it flipping the towel over as we go.
 
Chloe92us said:
I noticed while watching you tube videos, that the experienced pros who have been doing rinseless washes for YEARS (scottwax, Ivan Lacroix, & Darren Green come to mind) seem to use one bucket, one wash mitt or sponge, and go fast / aren't all that careful, it appears. That could mean that 1) their technique is just really good, 2) they are less concerned about scratches since they're planning to polish/correct anyway, or 3) rinseless washes are just much more safe than we realize.
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Have you watched the video of the black c class benz. One bucket, one gallon, one towel, a million swirls, so yes hes not concerned about swirls. I use a ton of product, a lot of towels and its a daily driver that looks pretty good
 
Have you watched the video of the black c class benz. One bucket, one gallon, one towel, a million swirls, so yes hes not concerned about swirls. I use a ton of product, a lot of towels and its a daily driver that looks pretty good
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And this is why I was asking here (where I know standards tend to be higher, at least as far as I've seen). I think it was a Garry Dean video I watched when I was first trying to figure what the GDWM so many refer to was - he said flat out he wasn't that worried about marking the paint.

I understand that anytime you interact with your paint you run the risk of knocking some of the perfect off it, but with time at a premium I'd just like to set up for success as much as possible. I'll stick with the multiple towel/media approach until I get the hang of it and maybe play with other methods when it's closer to my next correction/LSP coat.
 
Chloe92us said:
Granted, I do have to look at it from the right angle, with the sun shining on it just the right way.....but I DO see some dirt (I think!). LOL! Really, it's just fun.....
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This will wear off after a while..... overly zealous with your "new to you" BMW.
 
shagnat said:
This will wear off after a while..... overly zealous with your "new to you" BMW.
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LOL...you may be right!...but it's lasted a couple months so far and usually I'm bored by now...and it doesn't seem to have worn off for most of the posters on this forum! ;)
 
I would only wash my car once a week at the most because I don't want to touch my car more than that.

Unless my car got covered in something like sprinkler water or birds teamed up on it, there's no need. Bugs and bird droppings are taken care of with waterless washes.

If ONR changed your life, then get pumped and try other ones. I started with ONR, but it's my least favorite out of all the ones I've tried.
 
IMHO no matter how careful you are if you wipe your car down 4-5 times per week with whatever method you choose you are going to have an eventual build up of swirl marks.

My GC was purchased in 4/12, it has 9,500 miles on it. It is the dictionary definition of a grage queen. It's only been two bucket washed 3 times and rained on twice since I bought it. I wipe it down after a drive with plenty of lubrication and I use Korean 810 gsm mf towels and I can find micro marring with my swirl finder light. And I may drive it a few times a month so it's only getting wiped on at the most a few times a month.

If you're wiping on a car 4-5 times a week x 52 weeks that's hammering on the paint 260 times a year! There's just no way wiping on a car that many times a year you're not going to instill some sort of marring.
 
pdqgp said:
When properly done rinseless causes no harm and IMO is actually safer. I must admit I chuckled when I read that your car is white and you're going to clean it twice a week :)

Looking forward to seeing pics. Welcome to the addiction aka online version.
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I can sympathise, my white car is as bad to keep clean as the wifes metallic black... to the casual onlooker perhaps not as obvioulsy dirty, but like black it shows everything...
I also ONR whenever its required, being a wagon it sucks all sorts of crap onto te back door / bumper.. thats almost a daily wipe down...

As per others comments, with good method and materials its low risk.... BUT if done poorly with incorrcet materials of course you can swirl the crap out of the paint..
 
My c300 wagon is just had its first birthday and i'm worse now than when it was new.. IME t doesn't wear off.. (the paint might...)

Just embarked on orange peel removal journey.... should keep me busy section by section for the next few months..

Maybe after that it'll slow down? (or i'll just turn my attention to the wifes car.....)
 
Chloe92us said:
I have UWW+ and have only experimented with it as a pre-wash soak (in place of ONR @ QD strength) and am finding it is leaving a film....I think it's due to the high humidity here so will try diluting with more water. I haven't used it as a rinseless yet though. I'll be trying it this weekend.

I hate cherries with a passion, so absolutely will not be trying Uber even though it gets rave reviews.
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Couldn't agree more. I still can't believe everyone has fallen in love with a rinseless that smells like cough syrup. It's the strangest thing I've witnessed since joining.
 
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