New Car for Wife

Sue Esponte said:
I love some of the advice in this thread.

Ignore most of it.

Seriously.

Buy what you want. Relatively speaking, there are no "bad" cars out there these days. For every "Toyota/Lexus" person you'll find someone equally as militant about their love of Honda/Acura products. Plenty of people will tell you to skip everything from Japan and go for some product from Fiat Chrysler or GM. And then there are people who will push you towards BMW, Audi, etc. Personally, you couldn't pay me to drive a Lexus ES. No offense to Lexus owners. Yes, they're great cars, if driving from point A to point B is why you buy a car. The F cars are a move in the right direction but they're still not as communicative as their European counterparts...but, that's what makes the world go around. Whatever floats your boat...go with it. I'd also never dissuade someone from buying a Lexus if it's what they want. In fact, I might even encourage certain buyers. You need to figure out what you want and ignore anyone here who tells you differently. I'm not a big Infiniti guy but that Q50 looks pretty nice to me. At the right price, if it's what I wanted, I'd go for it. If you want to know about Q50 reliability issues, check out a dedicated forum. People love to complain about problems online so, if there's something to complain about, you'll find it in an enthusiast forum. Oh, and ignore Consumer Reports -- they should stick to toasters and refrigerators.

Consumer Reports Says the Infiniti Q50 Is Unreliable - Business Insider

Seriously...Consumer Reports doesn't know their arse from their elbow when it comes to cars. Look to C&D, R&T, Automobile, MT and the typical online resources (e.g., Edmunds, dedicated forums) for vehicle advice.

Best of luck with whatever direction you take!

My $.02,
-Eric
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Yup.

This thread is turning into a "Which polish is the best" kind of thing.

If we keep debating which auto manufacturers make the best cars/trucks, then this thread is bound to just turn into another opinion-fest when all the OP was asking was help with the color on his wife's new ride.
 
Sue Esponte said:
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Consumer Reports Says the Infiniti Q50 Is Unreliable - Business Insider

Seriously...Consumer Reports doesn't know their arse from their elbow when it comes to cars. Look to C&D, R&T, Automobile, MT and the typical online resources (e.g., Edmunds, dedicated forums) for vehicle advice.

Best of luck with whatever direction you take!

My $.02,
-Eric
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It is not just Consumer Reports calling the Q50 as a doozy. Pretty much most Car review sites call it 'a car to avoid'

Do a google search and due diligence and you will find out for yourself.

If not for the Fiat 500, Q50 would be the undisputed 'North American Craptastic Car of the year' for 2016.

Infiniti dropped the ball on the Q50 (I am not sure why they dropped the G37 in favor of Q40 before dropping it altogether thus making Q50 the entry level Infiniti) and Infinit dealerships are about as busy as a barbecue ribs restaurant in downtown Riyadh.
 
PaulMys said:
Yup.

This thread is turning into a "Which polish is the best" kind of thing.

If we keep debating which auto manufacturers make the best cars/trucks, then this thread is bound to just turn into another opinion-fest when all the OP was asking was help with the color on his wife's new ride.
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If you noticed there are two parallel streams on this thread. Join the one that suits your whim :)

Thank You and Come Again :)
 
ArnoldLayne said:
Name any car Nissan makes and I can show you a better option in that segment from Toyota and Honda.
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@Arnold Layne. You said Toyota or Honda... That'd be like us comparing Buick vs. Mercury and I come out of left field with a Cadillac CT6 for comparison.

How bout a Toyota or Honda? Just like you said.
 
Eldorado2k said:
@Arnold Layne. You said Toyota or Honda... That'd be like us comparing Buick vs. Mercury and I come out of left field with a Cadillac CT6 for comparison.

How bout a Toyota or Honda? Just like you said.
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Lexus is Toyota.

Buick would be a GM product and Mercury (do they even make that crap anymore?) was Ford. So bad example.

And Nissan has been struggling to sell any 370Z. 7K cars a year is what they sell and they've hardly broken the 10K number once 5 or 6 years ago. So much for a cheap car (So people don't buy it because it is cheap in price or cheap in quality???)

By Comparison, the Lexus RC sells twice as many vehicles as the 370z despite being in the luxury segment and was introduced just 2 years ago.

So no one is lining up to buy a 370z except uninformed people who don't do due diligence looking for a car on the cheap and they manage to round up 7K suckers a year it looks like :)

The local Nissan dealer has all the cheerleaders and pompoms and the marching band ready and waiting for customsprty to come in and buy that Nismo 370Z. They might even throw in a 21 gun salute LOL Carlos Ghosn might personally jump out of his chair and say 'WHAT? We sold another 370z?' and send a personal handwritten thank you note.

You buying one too? :)
 
ArnoldLayne said:
Lexus is Toyota.

Buick would be a GM product and Mercury (do they even make that crap anymore?) was Ford. So bad example.

And Nissan has been struggling to sell any 370Z. 7K cars a year is what they sell and they've hardly broken the 10K number once 5 or 6 years ago. So much for a cheap car (So people don't buy it because it is cheap in price or cheap in quality???)

By Comparison, the Lexus RC sells twice as many vehicles as the 370z despite being in the luxury segment and was introduced just 2 years ago.

So no one is lining up to buy a 370z except uninformed people who don't do due diligence looking for a car on the cheap and they manage to round up 7K suckers a year it looks like :)

The local Nissan dealer has all the cheerleaders and pompoms and the marching band ready and waiting for customsprty to come in and buy that Nismo 370Z. They might even throw in a 21 gun salute LOL Carlos Ghosn might personally jump out of his chair and say 'WHAT? We sold another 370z?' and send a personal handwritten thank you note.

You buying one too? :)
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We were comparing Toyota/Honda vs Nissan. So how would comparing Buick vs. Mercury be a bad example??

And when you asked me to name a Nissan and you would provide a Toyota or Honda that is better, I didn't say "Infinity Q60" did I? No, I named a Nissan.
 
ArnoldLayne said:
Lexus is Toyota.

Buick would be a GM product and Mercury (do they even make that crap anymore?) was Ford. So bad example.

And Nissan has been struggling to sell any 370Z. 7K cars a year is what they sell and they've hardly broken the 10K number once 5 or 6 years ago. So much for a cheap car (So people don't buy it because it is cheap in price or cheap in quality???)

By Comparison, the Lexus RC sells twice as many vehicles as the 370z despite being in the luxury segment and was introduced just 2 years ago.

So no one is lining up to buy a 370z except uninformed people who don't do due diligence looking for a car on the cheap and they manage to round up 7K suckers a year it looks like :)

The local Nissan dealer has all the cheerleaders and pompoms and the marching band ready and waiting for customsprty to come in and buy that Nismo 370Z. They might even throw in a 21 gun salute LOL Carlos Ghosn might personally jump out of his chair and say 'WHAT? We sold another 370z?' and send a personal handwritten thank you note.

You buying one too? :)
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Dude you are a "Out of Control" nuff said.

Go detail something.
 
Eldorado2k said:
We were comparing Toyota/Honda vs Nissan. So how would comparing Buick vs. Mercury be a bad example??

And when you asked me to name a Nissan and you would provide a Toyota or Honda that is better, I didn't say "Infinity Q60" did I? No, I named a Nissan.
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Toyota and Honda don't manufacture an equivalent of Nissan 370z under the Toyota & Honda monikers so it would be a completely meaningless comparison. Toyota does on the Lexus line which would be the RC

I am not sure where you are going with this or what you are trying to prove ...

Buick and Mercury are both junk cars put out by GM & Ford and so is a Caddy from GM (unless of course you are a baby boomer living in FL sucking down on Viagra & Lipitor and won't let go the 60s and still think Cadillac is a luxury car )

Besides, Ford and GM manufactured junk cars under umpteen different brand names which were all basically the same shiznit packaged in different shrink wrap.

Once again...Nissan makes second rung cars both on the Nissan and Infiniti lines. They are not as craptastic as GM & Ford (and Chrysler) but they could do a much better job to compete with Honda & Toyota but they don't. They are happy making second runs cars and selling it for slightly cheaper. And Infiniti is in some serious dudu that their staple car (Q50) is on the 'Cars to Avoid' list. That is pretty bad.

So hopefully you understand the crux of where this started but it veered off course to degenerate into a 'brand defense' war.

The q50 as it stands is a pig how much ever lipstick you put on it and go do some research and find out for yourself. There is ample information and data available to prove it is a pig.
 
ArnoldLayne said:
Toyota and Honda don't manufacture an equivalent of Nissan 370z under the Toyota & Honda monikers
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Alright... You see, you could've just said that from the start. We're all adults here, nothing wrong with being wrong once in a while.. I admit my mistakes all the time on here, it's a part of learning and I'm always open to learn new things. [I'm not trying to saying you've got things to learn, but you know what I mean]

I don't really see the point in trying to bash other car makers either.. I believe Barry Meguiar said it best-

"The common attraction, of course, is this universal passion we have for our cars... and the respect we share for each others dedication to making our cars look "show car" perfect. While expensively rare cars are due their respect, Car Guys appreciate how much work and perseverance is required to take Any car to show car status. That's the common bond that breaks down all the social barriers and unites us".
 
Well, I bought the car and detailed it for my wife. The car is 2015 and not the 2016. Drove it down the shore today and could not be happier....

BTW - I own a Lexus LS460 which is my everyday ride.

Will not ever try to compare the two cars. However, the Q50s has some very nice features my car is lacking.

Have a nice day!
 
DiPaoro, thanks for putting up with this entire thread! The Q50 is a better than nice car and you have it looking good for a happy wife. What's not to like?

The Ford vs Chevy argument never dies does it? 😀
 
ArnoldLayne said:
It is not just Consumer Reports calling the Q50 as a doozy. Pretty much most Car review sites call it 'a car to avoid'

Do a google search and due diligence and you will find out for yourself.

If not for the Fiat 500, Q50 would be the undisputed 'North American Craptastic Car of the year' for 2016.

Infiniti dropped the ball on the Q50 (I am not sure why they dropped the G37 in favor of Q40 before dropping it altogether thus making Q50 the entry level Infiniti) and Infinit dealerships are about as busy as a barbecue ribs restaurant in downtown Riyadh.
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That's fine. No debate. I just don't trust CR...at all...when it comes to cars. My point was only to do the research on the model on a forum of owners. While they're enthusiasts of the brand and you have to sift through some of the fanboi stuff, they also tend to be surprisingly vocal about complaints and issues.

-Eric


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Eldorado2k said:
Alright... You see, you could've just said that from the start. We're all adults here, nothing wrong with being wrong once in a while.. I admit my mistakes all the time on here, it's a part of learning and I'm always open to learn new things. [I'm not trying to saying you've got things to learn, but you know what I mean]
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Well when I said there is a better alternative from Honda & Toyota for every Nissan Car, I had their bread and butter cars in mind (i.e the Sentra/Altima/Maxima) but you brought on 370z like you stumped me on the literality of my statement.

Toyota and Honda don't make RWD sedans and coupes in their Toyota/Honda monikers. Toyota does extensively on their Lexus line which is technically Toyota.

While I am unwilling to concede I was wrong on this particular issue, the subject of this argument has purely got to do with semantics.

I think we can leave it there and get on with life.
 
Sue Esponte said:
That's fine. No debate. I just don't trust CR...at all...when it comes to cars. My point was only to do the research on the model on a forum of owners. While they're enthusiasts of the brand and you have to sift through some of the fanboi stuff, they also tend to be surprisingly vocal about complaints and issues.

-Eric


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CR makes several weird and odd choices for their picks so I am not sure what they exactly consider their judging criteria as. Nevertheless, they are a well respected consumer agency though like you I don't agree with all their picks on not just cars but everything else as well.

In fact I have not seen the CR report on Q50 until I saw your link. My sources were different from CR (CR needs subscription service to look at their stuff in most cases unless it is a reproduced CR review) but Q50 has some pretty scathing reviews from lot of car review sites.

Infiniti is in trouble and its quite evident from their decision to pull the G37/Q40 from the market which was their popular car. So the issues with Q50 may not be limited to just Q50 but quality issues abound in Infiniti line.

They were kind of competing with Lexus and Acura (which has some issues of its own on some of its cars) but Lexus has taken leaps ahead of any luxury car maker (including German mfrs) and that low end luxury segment is now getting squeezed by the likes of Hyundai with their Genesis and other entry level luxury sedans.

If Infiniti doesn't get their act together, they will go bye bye like Saturn.

They've had troubles in their Nissan line up as well (both on Sentra and Maxima ) until they refreshed it for 2016 and it remains to be seen how they will compete in those segments. Only Altima is doing decently.
 
ArnoldLayne said:
CR makes several weird and odd choices for their picks so I am not sure what they exactly consider their judging criteria as. Nevertheless, they are a well respected consumer agency though like you I don't agree with all their picks on not just cars but everything else as well.

In fact I have not seen the CR report on Q50 until I saw your link. My sources were different from CR (CR needs subscription service to look at their stuff in most cases unless it is a reproduced CR review) but Q50 has some pretty scathing reviews from lot of car review sites.

Infiniti is in trouble and its quite evident from their decision to pull the G37/Q40 from the market which was their popular car. So the issues with Q50 may not be limited to just Q50 but quality issues abound in Infiniti line.

They were kind of competing with Lexus and Acura (which has some issues of its own on some of its cars) but Lexus has taken leaps ahead of any luxury car maker (including German mfrs) and that low end luxury segment is now getting squeezed by the likes of Hyundai with their Genesis and other entry level luxury sedans.

If Infiniti doesn't get their act together, they will go bye bye like Saturn.

They've had troubles in their Nissan line up as well (both on Sentra and Maxima ) until they refreshed it for 2016 and it remains to be seen how they will compete in those segments. Only Altima is doing decently.
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I have no debate with CR's credibility when it comes to electronics, appliances and consumer items, in general, but I'll save you from my long diatribe against them in the automotive arena. Sufficient it to say, they have no credibility here in my book.

As for Infiniti, as a car guy, I've never been a fan. Until they changed their model naming convention a couple of years ago, I read most of the reviews and comparisons in the major US car magazines and online sites as I do on most cars. At the time, I viewed their shift as a misguided attempt to rebrand and make a move in the market they've never made. The new branding is confusing and completely trashed the years of goodwill they built off of the G35/37. I don't think I consciously stopped paying attention to them but, until now, I never really thought about it. You've piqued my interest into what's going on their though.

For what it's worth, while Acura isn't plagued with the apparent quality issues that you've described at Infiniti, I've long thought Honda should have abandoned the brand or minimized it to a single vehicle (or two) a long time ago. Neither Honda nor Nissan were able to find the success in their luxury brands that Toyota found with its Lexus brand. Both brands had their initial successes but lost their way early on. With respect to Acura, the RL (now RLX) has never been relevant. They botched up the TL years ago ignoring what made the Legend and Integra successful, and the current ILX and TLX are and have always been also rans in the market. The only vehicle the market seems to get its arms around is the MDX, which is little more than a badge engineered Pilot. I know many enthusiasts love the NSX but it's branded a Honda in the rest of the world and unlike other manufacturer's halo cars, it's priced so far above its brand siblings, I just don't see it as having any real impact on sales of their more plebeian vehicles. More importantly, most of the buying public probably doesn't even know that Acura sells it. In fact, it was reimagined and delayed so many times, I don't think Honda knows what it is or what it's supposed to be...but I digress.

Anyway, thanks for the insight on Infiniti. I've got some reading to do! :)

-Eric


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Grrrr...SIRI!!! I hate autocorrect on the iPad -- so many stupid typos (sufficient = suffice, at least one instance of their = there...). Why don't we have a bang your head against a wall smiley on this forum? lol

-Eric
 
From the detailing perspective, this CAR pops with a coat of Fuzion then Pinnacle Souveran.

Time will tell on the reliability but the car rocks right now.
 
You and your wife spent your hard earned money on this car, and if your both happy with your purchase, that's all that matter! And its a great looking car.
 
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