Why isn't everyone using coatings if it is "better" than sealants?

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So...just curious...why do you guys still use traditional waxes/sealants if coatings last so long and provide better durability? Is it that much more work? More expensive?
 
CC268 said:
So...just curious...why do you guys still use traditional waxes/sealants if coatings last so long and provide better durability? Is it that much more work? More expensive?
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Because people love to touch their cars all the time...

Same way we don't have the wives get in bed all fully dressed.. We love to touch them too. Lol.
 
I just did my first coating in July. After doing it I swore I would never do it again. As time has went, the look and ease of maintaining it, I think I am sold. But still ponder the idea of sealants and wax, but going to wait to see how I feel in the spring.
 
In addition to the above, one reason could have been fear of mis-application. Now that more are using and sharing their experience, maybe more will try.
Also, no real solid discussion of maintenance. If you are still "treating" with sprays and rubs every three to six months you really get no price or effort savings.
 
Jowillie said:
Also, no real solid discussion of maintenance. If you are still "treating" with sprays and rubs every three to six months you really get no price or effort savings.
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Exactly.^
It's like "oh believe you me our coating is protecting your paint for a solid 2+ years"!

"But you might want to invest in another premium priced product we sell and re apply it onto your coating after every other bucket wash in order to provide you with some actual visual characteristics that will aid in reassuring you that it's really working".... Hmm, yea no thanks. I'll hold off on that for now. Lol.
 
Its a release, some people play golf, I wax my truck.
 
Eldorado2k said:
Same way we don't have the wives get in bed all fully dressed.. We love to touch them too. Lol.
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Wife: Let me slip into something more comfortable.
Husband: Why don't you slip into the kitchen and make me a sandwich.
 
Eldorado2k said:
Exactly.^
It's like "oh believe you me our coating is protecting your paint for a solid 2+ years"!

"But you might want to invest in another premium priced product we sell and re apply it onto your coating after every other bucket wash in order to provide you with some actual visual characteristics that will aid in reassuring you that it's really working".... Hmm, yea no thanks. I'll hold off on that for now. Lol.
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Yea...some people will swallow whatever pill you give em...
 
Eldorado2k said:
Exactly.^
It's like "oh believe you me our coating is protecting your paint for a solid 2+ years"!

"But you might want to invest in another premium priced product we sell and re apply it onto your coating after every other bucket wash in order to provide you with some actual visual characteristics that will aid in reassuring you that it's really working".... Hmm, yea no thanks. I'll hold off on that for now. Lol.
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What do you think a clear coat is? Just because a coating last for years, doesn't mean it doesn't need taking care of. No matter how tough it is, it's still susceptible to surface contaminants. But the coating is still there, as opposed to wax and sealants that will wear off sooner. So even though you have to keep up with a ceramic coating, its still less work than keeping up with the clear coat.
 
CC268 said:
Yea...some people will swallow whatever pill you give em...
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All I wanna know is: Do these coatings protect the paint from bonded contaminants for this so called 2+ yr. stretch of "protection"? If they do then I'll begin to show some interest.. If not that get the heck outta here with that crap. No excuses such as "oh but the contaminants are bonded to the coating not your paint" I don't wanna hear no lame excuses.

I could very well be wrong, and that's just an assumption based on lots of claims with holes in the fine print nowadays.. But if the coatings really do protect, then we can talk turkey.
 
A question about coatings as I don't know anything about them really, have not looked into them yet (too many sealants and waxes to use up! ha):

Can you tell if an applied coating has been compromised at some point before it is supposed to wear off, such as stones breaking through the coating, will bird bombs or other acids break through, etc, leaving paint/clearcoat exposed without the owner possibly knowing?
 
I can think of a couple reasons why the switch takes time.

First, the products are semi-permanent. So, a lot of people are hesitant until the second reason evolves...

Second, there's often a big learning curve on new products. A lot of people aren't early adapters. They would rather wait for products to evolve into easier to work; better performance; lower cost. Plus, waiting gives a good base of information from early adapters.

There's also the fact that most posters on this site have way over bought on waxes and sealants and need time to work through them.
 
Its not a lame excuse. You probably don't even consider paint thickness when doing paint correction, because if you did, you wouldn't be saying any of that. The ceramic coatings are resistant to light scratches, like the ones induced by washing. This keeps from having to do paint correction. If you don't already know, every time you polish the paint, you are thinning it out. So would you rather keep thinning your clear coat, or have an extra layer of protection that is harder than the clear coat?
 
I don't believe that coatings will last that long.Its a product that eventually breaks down just like anything else.But with some careful maintenance and coating booster such as hydro 2 I think one year easily.I offer coating jobs to customers all the time to make more in my pocket.Although I'm not into maintaining there car every other week.So it's there game once that car leaves my possession.I ask them if they want the best protection and leave it at that.Im not gonna warranty any coating performance due to their tunnel washing.I coated my car with Gyeon 4 months ago and I see it's not as strong hydrophobic wise .
 
Mckees coating has to be the easiest coating to apply and it's affordable to all.
 
Probably 80% of my correction jobs are topped with Wolfgang uber ceramic. The other 20%, HD Speed is used. I haven't touched a wax or sealant in months.
 
Why isn't everyone using coatings if it is "better" than sealants?

AuroraDetailing said:
Its not a lame excuse. You probably don't even consider paint thickness when doing paint correction, because if you did, you wouldn't be saying any of that. The ceramic coatings are resistant to light scratches, like the ones induced by washing. This keeps from having to do paint correction.
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Yea it's cool, insult me for no reason..
FYI I don't even use my polisher to apply my sealant. Nor does it contain any abrasives. But I'll tell you what it does do, it goes for up to 5 months with 1 application and still passes the baggie test. I simply re apply it and I'm set for 10 straight months of smooth paint. Protection.

If a product shows up and cannot protect my paint.. Then I ask what the heck is it's purpose for being here? Not too long ago I checked out a thread talking about Hydro2. Sounded interesting so I asked if the surfaces were still passing the baggie test at the end of these 3 months of protection.. The reply I got from Jared1 was "well that's kinda asking alot now" Really? Is that too much to ask when everyone's raving about it lasting those 3 months? What the heck is it doing then? Providing water beading? Is that what people have come to buy into for the actual payoff when it comes to protection? Don't get me wrong, I love me some beading just like the next guy, but if I were given just 1 choice between actual protection vs. beading, you're damn right I'm going to choose actual protection.

It's like do you want a trophy wife who looks like somekind of model but won't even sleep with you.. Or would you rather have a normal down to earth chick who looks fine, can cook, clean, help pay the bills, actually has a brain and have sex too. I'll choose the latter because she actually produces!:)
 
Love the wife part lmao.I would not want a model of a wife who deosnt bring any value besides good looks.Beauty fades stupidity is forever.
 
I think it depends on where you are. When I got my new car, I waxed for the wetlook. Then I got on here within days and looked at sealants. Within one month of getting into detailing, I got myself a porter cable and various pads and coated my car. I made the move because coatings will last in the Canadian winters whereas no sealant will really last the entire winter and all the salt on our roads here. I still love using upw for my dads car and I'll still to my coating with pinnacle synergy cause I love the look. That being said coatings aren't invincible and they have a very multistage application process so for a lot of people, they'll stick with easier application. I've found with my coating that nothing sticks to it. And it's something where I can qd spray anything off of it, no major issues. I coated my windshield and now I've used my wipers s handful of times since I bought the car. It also is rather resistant to new swirls especially since I've used rinse less majority of the time, like over 90 percent of my washes.

Honestly I think it's preference. Why do people still use waxes instead of sealants? It's all just preference st the end of the day.
 
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