Wolfgang Fuzion - First time user

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Hello all,

I coated my car with Uber Ceramic about 3-4 weeks ago and today I decided to apply some fuzion after a rinseless wash with Uber RW.

I first pressure rinsed my car before starting my RW.


I applied some Fuzion to all horizontal panels and the fenders today as I had a little spare time. Application was a little weird but I followed the application technique demo'd by Mike P and Bruno Massel on youtube. Which was to apply in straight line motions.

Application wasn't too bad, initially it spread real nice, but the further I applied to the panel, it eventually got a little splotchy with dry spots, So I applied a little more to the pad at this point. Is this method correct? Moreover, once applied, It did not want to spread more if I went back over it again. By this I mean, there were some high points which I wanted to level before wipe off - but it would not spread, is this also normal?

Wipe off was weird too, the towel felt a little grabby when wiping off in circular motions, taking little bites. But once wiped off it felt nice and slick. I only applied to one panel before wiping off. Roof was applied half panel and then wiped off, before moving to the other side.

What sucks the most is that , even though the car was coated 3 - 4 weeks ago, parking on the main street with thousands of cars passing by each day has taken its toll. The paint felt a little rough which signals a clay in order which reallly really sucks....Clay means marring on this stupid soft paint, which means polishing, which means goodbye $129 coating :(

I probably won't do anything for now, but it really does suck.

I love the little tub it comes as as the polishing pal fits perfectly. I also really like the smell of it.

Here are some shots, I like the look of it.

I wish I had the energy to do the whole car. :/

Pics:

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These last pics shows the reflections and I went outside to take a picture. Moreover it also shows how my car is parked 24/7 - 365.

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And lastly, a picture from my house showing how I have to park lol.

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Thanks for looking.
 
Fuzion is the easiest product to apply and wipe off than anything on the market. After the first panel you don't need hardly any product as it goes a long way. Most issues with wax or hybrid applications are due to using too much product.
 
silverfox said:
Fuzion is the easiest product to apply and wipe off than anything on the market. After the first panel you don't need hardly any product as it goes a long way. Most issues with wax or hybrid applications are due to using too much product.
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Thanks bud, i actually had a similar issue with Souveran. I wanted to use the initial product that I put on the pad for a complete panel (hood). But halfway through the hood, I got those dry spots and splotchy areas - which made me want to apply more product, after which it was fine.

As mentioned, I followed Mike P's application technique to the T.
 
emmjaygti said:
Hello all,

I coated my car with Uber Ceramic about 3-4 weeks ago and today I decided to apply some fuzion after a rinseless wash with Uber RW.

What sucks the most is that , even though the car was coated 3 - 4 weeks ago, parking on the main street with thousands of cars passing by each day has taken its toll. The paint felt a little rough which signals a clay in order which reallly really sucks....Clay means marring on this stupid soft paint, which means polishing, which means goodbye $129 coating :(

I probably won't do anything for now, but it really does suck.
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Dude, I feel your pain. I've gone through similar experiences where products have either let me down bigtime, or for whatever strange reason simply refuse to work on my car. [my car can be a picky PITA when it comes to accepting certain products]

You know exactly what you're doing, you've made the magic happen on countless other vehicles, but when it came time for you to give your own ride the royal treatment with what's touted as some of the top of the line stuff available today... And it completely lets you down. Smh.

I've been through the same exact thing and it sucks... You deserve better for all the effort you put into this stuff. The bigger the hype, the bigger the letdown.. You'll figure out what will work to protect your ride eventually.
 
Eldorado2k said:
Dude, I feel your pain. I've gone through similar experiences where products have either let me down bigtime, or for whatever strange reason simply refuse to work on my car. [my car can be a picky PITA when it comes to accepting certain products]

You know exactly what you're doing, you've made the magic happen on countless other vehicles, but when it came time for you to give your own ride the royal treatment with what's touted as some of the top of the line stuff available today... And it completely lets you down. Smh. Hit me right in the feels lol.

I've been through the same exact thing and it sucks... You deserve better for all the effort you put into this stuff. The bigger the hype, the bigger the letdown.. You'll figure out what will work to protect your ride eventually.
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Amen brother. You took the words right out of my mouth. I look at my Mom's Audi and its perfect...ugh.

Fuzion was quite nice though lol. My method might be wrong or flawed in some way, but I got the results. The only thing I don't understand with these waxes is their price. I'm not mad, I got fuzion for $50 for 8oz. But what makes them so special?...the results aren't wow...its glowing yes but thats it.

P.S. If I could turn back time, I would not get a jap car. Reliable or not, jap paint sucks! I miss just claying my Gti every 2-3 months without a worry in the world. Zero marring, zero scratching.

i really want to learn what makes paint soft or hard. I'm happy I didn't get that Kia I was looking at as apparently its even worse. SMH

To top it all off, clearly someone was leaning on my car near work as my car was damn dusty but 2 spots were clean like someone wiped them with their A**, hello massive marring marks - So P'd Off

Rant over lol.

Fuzion FTW.
 
emmjaygti said:
Amen brother. You took the words right out of my mouth. I look at my Mom's Audi and its perfect...ugh.

Fuzion was quite nice though lol. My method might be wrong or flawed in some way, but I got the results. The only thing I don't understand with these waxes is their price. I'm not mad, I got fuzion for $50 for 8oz. But what makes them so special?...the results aren't wow...its glowing yes but thats it.

P.S. If I could turn back time, I would not get a jap car. Reliable or not, jap paint sucks! I miss just claying my Gti every 2-3 months without a worry in the world. Zero marring, zero scratching.

i really want to learn what makes paint soft or hard. I'm happy I didn't get that Kia I was looking at as apparently its even worse. SMH

To top it all off, clearly someone was leaning on my car near work as my car was damn dusty but 2 spots were clean like someone wiped them with their A**, hello massive marring marks - So P'd Off

Rant over lol.

Fuzion FTW.
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You know it's funny you mention the whole wax thing... These past few days I've been researching up to my neck into these carnauba waxes for pretty much the 1st time. [the reason I'm looking into them is for a couple of potential special cars coming my way. 1 of them is a red Ferrari, so you can imagine. Lol]

So I've read alot, watched alot of vids, etc.. My 1st interest was in the McKee's 37 Trademark, I kept researching and heard good things about the P21s, and a whole bunch more in between. Then I looked into the good ole Megs #26 High Tech Yellow Wax and next came Gold Class Carnauba Plus Paste wax.. That's when I saw Loach's vid comparing the Gold Class and #26 side by side. On his perticular paint he didn't notice anything spectacular or even different between the 2 as far as looks, and I think everyone watching would more than agree.. I still want to watch his review of the Pinnacle Souveran because I'm really curious to see if it looked far superior to those other 2.. But I've already got a gut feeling I should already know better.. Meaning it's not only the prep that's done before the wax, but having quality paint in the 1st place that really matters.

It's an interesting topic though, and a whole lotta hype when you consider how insane things actually get.. i.e. I found out about that Zymol Wax that costs like $2,500 and gets applied with bare hands. I watched a couple of those vids and said ok, that's enough Carnauba for me tonight! And why don't those dudes ever show a 50/50 shot? Lol.
 
I am confused as to why you would top a ceramic coating with Fuzion?

Not trying to be a Debbie Downer... and I understand the addiction to keep trying new and different products in search of the ultimate gloss, but this does not seem like a good idea to me.
 
Eldorado2k said:
You know it's funny you mention the whole wax thing... These past few days I've been researching up to my neck into these carnauba waxes for pretty much the 1st time. [the reason I'm looking into them is for a couple of potential special cars coming my way. 1 of them is a red Ferrari, so you can imagine. Lol]

So I've read alot, watched alot of vids, etc.. My 1st interest was in the McKee's 37 Trademark, I kept researching and heard good things about the P21s, and a whole bunch more in between. Then I looked into the good ole Megs #26 High Tech Yellow Wax and next came Gold Class Carnauba Plus Paste wax.. That's when I saw Loach's vid comparing the Gold Class and #26 side by side. On his perticular paint he didn't notice anything spectacular or even different between the 2 as far as looks, and I think everyone watching would more than agree.. I still want to watch his review of the Pinnacle Souveran because I'm really curious to see if it looked far superior to those other 2.. But I've already got a gut feeling I should already know better.. Meaning it's not only the prep that's done before the wax, but having quality paint in the 1st place that really matters.

It's an interesting topic though, and a whole lotta hype when you consider how insane things actually get.. i.e. I found out about that Zymol Wax that costs like $2,500 and gets applied with bare hands. I watched a couple of those vids and said ok, that's enough Carnauba for me tonight! And why don't those dudes ever show a 50/50 shot? Lol.
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I'm sure these products have a place. But, apart from the warm glow what else is there? Even Swissvax has some insane products. Yes the carnauba grade is very high, I feel thats what gives it the high price.

I used Souveran too. Yes there is a warm glow but that was it...I wasn't overly wowed by the product.

But I had to get on the bandwagon to see what the hype was as people swear by it. I bought both in full size, Souveran and Fuzion....I never learn :P

I put it down to the fact that I have only been detailing for 2 years....I never touched a paste wax or carnauba wax till a couple months ago. I guess we could say that I was already spoiled by sealants and the questionable but oh so sexy coatings that the carnauba did nothing for me?

I think that's the main reason - I cannot appreciate a carnauba wax after trying the other 2.
 
BadgerRivFan said:
I am confused as to why you would top a ceramic coating with Fuzion?

Not trying to be a Debbie Downer... and I understand the addiction to keep trying new and different products in search of the ultimate gloss, but this does not seem like a good idea to me.
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I understand your point, and I see every reason to not top a coating. But it doesn't harm a coating does it? To me, the coating is protecting my paint - the wax is giving it that warm glow. I see that as a very good reason to top it.

I paid for it...so I wanted to use it. I see no harm. People use it all the time, I used fuzion to stick to the same family...so I did something right lol.

I only do my own cars, and tried Uber coating and wasn't happy with my results as my surroundings were not favourable for a coating. But that's not the point.

If a wax costs as much as the coating on my car you better bet that I want to try it out.

Either way, I am one who likes applying new things on the car. Its my form of therapy. Taking this account I probably won't apply a coating ever again (apart from my surroundings limiting me).
 
Eldorado2k said:
You know it's funny you mention the whole wax thing... These past few days I've been researching up to my neck into these carnauba waxes for pretty much the 1st time. [the reason I'm looking into them is for a couple of potential special cars coming my way. 1 of them is a red Ferrari, so you can imagine. Lol]

So I've read alot, watched alot of vids, etc.. My 1st interest was in the McKee's 37 Trademark, I kept researching and heard good things about the P21s, and a whole bunch more in between. Then I looked into the good ole Megs #26 High Tech Yellow Wax and next came Gold Class Carnauba Plus Paste wax.. That's when I saw Loach's vid comparing the Gold Class and #26 side by side. On his perticular paint he didn't notice anything spectacular or even different between the 2 as far as looks, and I think everyone watching would more than agree.. I still want to watch his review of the Pinnacle Souveran because I'm really curious to see if it looked far superior to those other 2.. But I've already got a gut feeling I should already know better.. Meaning it's not only the prep that's done before the wax, but having quality paint in the 1st place that really matters.

It's an interesting topic though, and a whole lotta hype when you consider how insane things actually get.. i.e. I found out about that Zymol Wax that costs like $2,500 and gets applied with bare hands. I watched a couple of those vids and said ok, that's enough Carnauba for me tonight! And why don't those dudes ever show a 50/50 shot? Lol.
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I'll give my opinion on the difference of wax in terms of high vs budget friendly. I have found the premium waxes just go on and remove like butter. The budget waxes tend to be much easier to over apply as well.

I haven't used fusion personally but a harder paste wax is what I prefer over one that is more jelly feeling if I can use the term lol. When u can easily put the applicator in and get lots of wax is where noobs like me can over apply so fast. A hard wax that I can turn the applicator side to side a couple times and get a nice small amount that goes on thin is a win to me.

I have a wax that's 100 for 8oz but I will get 30-50 applications out of it so not to bad cost per application in my eyes. It will last me a couple years if I only did my vehicle easy
 
emmjaygti said:
I understand your point, and I see every reason to not top a coating. But it doesn't harm a coating does it? To me, the coating is protecting my paint - the wax is giving it that warm glow. I see that as a very good reason to top it.

I paid for it...so I wanted to use it. I see no harm. People use it all the time, I used fuzion to stick to the same family...so I did something right lol.

I only do my own cars, and tried Uber coating and wasn't happy with my results as my surroundings were not favourable for a coating. But that's not the point.

If a wax costs as much as the coating on my car you better bet that I want to try it out.

Either way, I am one who likes applying new things on the car. Its my form of therapy. Taking this account I probably won't apply a coating ever again (apart from my surroundings limiting me).
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I get it. No harm no foul I guess.

Fuzion is an awesome beauty wax and will look great on your deep brown metallic paint. I would encourage you to try it as a standalone LSP. Durability is not great, especially in your extreme heat, but as long as you don't mind reapplying every 3 to 4 weeks it should work just fine.
 
BadgerRivFan said:
I get it. No harm no foul I guess.

Fuzion is an awesome beauty wax and will look great on your deep brown metallic paint. I would encourage you to try it as a standalone LSP. Durability is not great, especially in your extreme heat, but as long as you don't mind reapplying every 3 to 4 weeks it should work just fine.
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If I do get this coating off my car. I am gonna try different products on different panels. That will do the trick haha.

Even with all the high spots in indirect light, its doing its job magnificently.Its user error and environment for me.I know I would have had stellar results if that was not the case.

People always stare and admire the paint. They don't know what to look for. I see it daily and know that the spots/smudges are there lol
 
emmjaygti said:
To top it all off, clearly someone was leaning on my car near work as my car was damn dusty but 2 spots were clean like someone wiped them with their A**, hello massive marring marks - So P'd Off

Rant over lol.

Fuzion FTW.
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That's one of my biggest pet peeves. It pisses me off to see it. Car guy or not, it's the disrespect of other people's property bothers me.
 
4 star paint protection is awesome.cheap deep gloss and super easy for removal easier than fuzion,great durability as well and has poly charger boost in it.I have 3 cans of fuzion and its rotting in my truck,I never use it.
 
No harm putting Fuzion over a coating, BUT the wax inhibits the dirt and water repellant features of a coating. In my eyes the best combo would be a sealant with a wax topper, especially if you are like most AGers who like to play and experiment with their cars. To me coatings are for people who never want to touch their cars. There are plenty of sealants that promise 12 month protection. How many of us are not going to do something to their paint for 12 months? I want to change things up monthly. Lol
 
rlmccarty2000 said:
No harm putting Fuzion over a coating, BUT the wax inhibits the dirt and water repellant features of a coating. In my eyes the best combo would be a sealant with a wax topper, especially if you are like most AGers who like to play and experiment with their cars. To me coatings are for people who never want to touch their cars. There are plenty of sealants that promise 12 month protection. How many of us are not going to do something to their paint for 12 months? I want to change things up monthly. Lol
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lool exactly! Seeing that my car already has bonded contaminants on it , it doesn't look like I will be taking the coating route again. I would, if my paint was hard. But this Honda marrs really easily.

I still don't get why Japs or Asian cars in general have softer paints compared to the Euro or even American cars. Japs are supposed to be all anal like Germans.

Oh well.
 
Rod73 said:
That's one of my biggest pet peeves. It pisses me off to see it. Car guy or not, it's the disrespect of other people's property bothers me.
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Yup. I even hold the edge of my door when opening my door so as not to ding the other cars. But people here are careless and have no respect for other peoples property in general.

But I guess that applies anywhere.

It's just I see it in certain types of people but I won't go there lol. Its the same people who won't park between lines in a mall car park even though your car is centered perfectly. They park next to you at a weird angle because they were too lazy to reverse and fix the car. Due to that they have to open their door with barely any space and hit their door on yours...

Then its those who squeeze a shopping trolley between your car and theirs to put stuff into the back seat, because they couldnt carry the bag two feet from the back of the car to the back seats. And to top it off, they leave the trolley right there lol.

Sigh..
 
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