What (mini + carpet brush)machine to buy next to flex!

[Yaser222]

Hi everyone

I'm a little confused I need some help please

First I really like flex 3401 it's on the list but I think it will not fill all my needs!

My needs
- Polish paint
-Polish paint for smaller area
-clean carpet and leather
-Polish headlight (not necessary it's just plus)

So for my needs
I think I have to buy 3 machine!

-FLEX 3401 for Polish job
-Porter Cable 7424 for carpet and leather
-rupes mini for headlight and smaller area

And I think that's too much


So my questions is

1- Dose flex XFE7 or 3401 have mini pads
From my reading I found smallest is 4" for 3401

You guys what you think the smallest pad I need for regular detail cover whole car!


2- if 3401 don't have smaller than 4"
What you recommend?
what about rupes mini is it good for small area?
and plus I can use it for headlight Polish!

3- for carpet and leather cleaning
What I really like is PC 7424
Have good carpet brush collection

Porter Cable 7424 Carpet & Upholstery Brushes

(I wish flex have similar brush collection)

But again PC the smallest pad is 3"
So I don't know if I need smaller than 3" for regular exterior Detail job?


By the way
4- does it worth it to wait for
FLEX XFE7-15 150 Long Stroke Orbital Polisher
(maybe will be available locally after 1 or 2 months) I can wait

Or you think
FLEX XC 3401 Orbital Polisher
It's good enough for beginners
(it's already available in Stock locally)

It will be first machine for me !



Thank you




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[coles_paint_correction]

I'd say you are on the right track for sure, flex 3401 is a beast i've heard and will do most compounding/polishing jobs.
Also i like my griots 6 converted to a 3.5 backing plate for smaller areas and now that they have a new ''3'' inch one i will convert over.
Also you could just use either portercable or any cheaper Da for brush attachment so you are not switching bp's all the time.

 

[VISITOR]

buy a GG6 along with different backing plates, pads, and some accessories (carpet attachment, etc,) and you'll be set...

 

[postaltwo]

Buy a cyclo one machine will do all of it . And do it with a 16 mm throw

 

[Yaser222]

I'd say you are on the right track for sure, flex 3401 is a beast i've heard and will do most compounding/polishing jobs.
Also i like my griots 6 converted to a 3.5 backing plate for smaller areas and now that they have a new ''3'' inch one i will convert over.
Also you could just use either portercable or any cheaper Da for brush attachment so you are not switching bp's all the time.

I will have look into griots 6

But do I need smaller than 3" for regular exterior detail?

And that's good idea to buy cheap DA for brush


Thank you

buy a GG6 along with different backing plates, pads, and some accessories (carpet attachment, etc,) and you'll be set...

I will have look into it

Do you think GG6 better than PC

Thank you

Buy a cyclo one machine will do all of it . And do it with a 16 mm throw

I never heard of it
But it's great to have one machine can replace rupes mini and PC

I will searching more about it

Thank you

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[Yaser222]

I'm waiting for more answers

Thank you everyone

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[kkritsilas]

Cyclo polishers have been around since the 1950s. They still stock parts for the polishers made in the 1950s, and pretty much everything is replaceable and available. They are twin head 4" polishers.

If you go to their website, they seem to have a particular emphasis on carpet cleaning, and have a range of brushes for the purpose. That is not to say that they are any less good at paint correction/polishing. There are pads made specifically for the Cyclo, like Adam's Polishes sells a range of 4" pads made specifically for the Cyclo, identified by the fact that they come in pairs, but any 4" pads and backing plates for those 4" pads from other vendors work fine as well.

 

[VISITOR]

Do you think GG6 better than PC

it's another choice/option and a certainly a great one at that. it has more torque/power, lifetime warranty, and GG customer service is top notch. if you are only going to machine polish/wax a few times a year then this makes more sense and is 1/3 of the cost as well. here's a recent vid of the junkman using it for the first time...

 

[Yaser222]

Cyclo polishers have been around since the 1950s. They still stock parts for the polishers made in the 1950s, and pretty much everything is replaceable and available. They are twin head 4" polishers.

If you go to their website, they seem to have a particular emphasis on carpet cleaning, and have a range of brushes for the purpose. That is not to say that they are any less good at paint correction/polishing. There are pads made specifically for the Cyclo, like Adam's Polishes sells a range of 4" pads made specifically for the Cyclo, identified by the fact that they come in pairs, but any 4" pads and backing plates for those 4" pads from other vendors work fine as well.

Great information acutely I like the twin head I saw it in one youtube video

But I didn't now the brand I think it was cyclo so similar to it

Unfortunately the price is a little higher
But it's good choice I will check for it

Thanks

it's another choice/option and a certainly a great one at that. it has more torque/power, lifetime warranty, and GG customer service is top notch. if you are only going to machine polish/wax a few times a year then this makes more sense and is 1/3 of the cost as well. here's a recent vid of the junkman using it for the first time...

Ok that's good to hear
But the warranty I'm over seas customer I don't know if the warranty still applies if I buy it from usa and ship it to my country

I will search locally for this device

And you are right I will use it even less than what you said
Because I will Polish cars then coated with cquartz classic for 2 years at least there will be no Polish
Or maybe once a year if the coating not lasting 2 years





Thank you guys for your help


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[postaltwo]

Great information acutely I like the twin head I saw it in one youtube video

But I didn't now the brand I think it was cyclo so similar to it

Unfortunately the price is a little higher
But it's good choice I will check for it

Thanks

The price is not cheap no doubt ,but it the smoothist machine out there and u don't have to buy many machines so u save money there

 

[Yaser222]

The price is not cheap no doubt ,but it the smoothist machine out there and u don't have to buy many machines so u save money there

I read a little about it it's great machine
I will make comparison between cyclo and flex 4031


Thank you

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[Guyb]

You could always do the carpets and seat with a brush by hand until you decide if you want a dedicated unit for the task. Since you state that you are outside of the US you will also have to figure what you can purchase in the correct voltage. The polishers are not variable voltage units.

 

[kkritsilas]

Some do come in either 110V or 220 V. The Flex and the cyclo do, I'm not sure about the PC and the Griot's.

 

[VISITOR]

personally, i wouldn't choose a cyclo if it's the only machine you are going to get/have. it's cumbersome (hard to get into tight spots as well) and with a traditional pc-style DA, you can change out backing plate and pads which makes it more versatile...

 

[kkritsilas]

There is nothing that prevents you from changing the backing plates on a Cyclo. In fact, there are backing plates made by most companies that are specifically designed for the Cyclo. I would go so far as to say that most of the backing plates for 4" pads are targeted for the Cyclo, as are most 4" pads. My logic is that there is no real reason to have any pad sizes betweeen 5"-5.5" and 3.5", aside from the fact that the pad size on the Cyclo is 4". The Cyclo has been on the market for over 50 years now, and between the build quality (needle and ball bearings, heavy aluminum castings, and the availability of parts for even the earliest of the Cyclo polishers,and made in the USA) I would bet that the vast majority of Cyclo polishers (Cyclo says there are >150K Cyclo units out there) are fully functional. Add to that the VES system (vibration reduction) being able to be retrofitted to eveb teg early Cyclos, the polisher will remain a perfectly good, usable polisher for many years.

As for its ability to get to tight spaces, it would be as good as any other polisher that uses 4" pads, just turn it sideways.

Also, Mike Philips has done a number of videos with the Cyclo.

Is it an alternative to teh Flex 3401. When it comes to paint correctioni, no, nothing is. Simple as that. The forced rotation of the 3401 makes it king of paint correction. It is more versatile, yes. It is also a random orbit type polisher, which is somewhat safer than the 3401.

I don't own a Cyclo, but have considered it. My PC is fine for now, but when I do decide to move on from the PC, I can get a 3401, and use the PC to do carpets and/or tight spaces with a 3.5" backing plate and pads.

I still think the Cyclo has a place in detailing for those who choose to use it. It hasn't survived for >50 years becase it is ineffective or lacking.

 

[postaltwo]

personally, i wouldn't choose a cyclo if it's the only machine you are going to get/have. it's cumbersome (hard to get into tight spots as well) and with a traditional pc-style DA, you can change out backing plate and pads which makes it more versatile...

I couldn't disagree more . I don't find it cumbersome at all and quite easy to get into tight spots. And with 2 4" pads it's easy to cover alot of ground quickly . Throw included it's covering a 9"wide area. The cyclo is silky smooth and make a great 1 polisher option imo

 

[kkritsilas]

Getting back to the original poster, a Flex 3401 to handle paint correction is ideal. A DA, whether a Flex, Porter Cable, Rupes, or whatever else you may decide on can handle tight areas or carpet cleaning. The issues with the Flex is the limited backing plates available, and the same with the Rupes (depending on which Rupes). In both cases, the Flex and Rupes backing plates are more expensive because they are proprietary. Porter Cable or Cyclo can use backing plates from numerous suppliers, and have a wide variety of sizes. The pads are common to all, depending on backing plates. The Cyclo does have a specific emphasis on carpet cleaning, but there are brushes available in normal DA sizes from a variety of vendors. The Cyclo does have a unique design, with lower vibration, and has a long term track record, great reliability, and parts availability second to none. It is made in the USA, which may not mean much to people living outside the US, but at least you know it didn't come out of a fly by night outfit in China. Lots of options. Maybe a place to start is to look at some videos online for all of the polishers you are interested in, as well as Mike Philip's polishing DVDs.

 

[Yaser222]

You could always do the carpets and seat with a brush by hand until you decide if you want a dedicated unit for the task. Since you state that you are outside of the US you will also have to figure what you can purchase in the correct voltage. The polishers are not variable voltage units.

By hand is option but if there's machine it's better and quicker

Yes I will buy 220 V
That what we have here we don't have 110 V


Thank you

Some do come in either 110V or 220 V. The Flex and the cyclo do, I'm not sure about the PC and the Griot's.

I have to buy 220 V
We don't have 110 V

Thank you

personally, i wouldn't choose a cyclo if it's the only machine you are going to get/have. it's cumbersome (hard to get into tight spots as well) and with a traditional pc-style DA, you can change out backing plate and pads which makes it more versatile...

You are right if I get cyclo I need another device with it

Thank you

There is nothing that prevents you from changing the backing plates on a Cyclo. In fact, there are backing plates made by most companies that are specifically designed for the Cyclo. I would go so far as to say that most of the backing plates for 4" pads are targeted for the Cyclo, as are most 4" pads. My logic is that there is no real reason to have any pad sizes betweeen 5"-5.5" and 3.5", aside from the fact that the pad size on the Cyclo is 4". The Cyclo has been on the market for over 50 years now, and between the build quality (needle and ball bearings, heavy aluminum castings, and the availability of parts for even the earliest of the Cyclo polishers,and made in the USA) I would bet that the vast majority of Cyclo polishers (Cyclo says there are >150K Cyclo units out there) are fully functional. Add to that the VES system (vibration reduction) being able to be retrofitted to eveb teg early Cyclos, the polisher will remain a perfectly good, usable polisher for many years.

As for its ability to get to tight spaces, it would be as good as any other polisher that uses 4" pads, just turn it sideways.

Also, Mike Philips has done a number of videos with the Cyclo.

Is it an alternative to teh Flex 3401. When it comes to paint correctioni, no, nothing is. Simple as that. The forced rotation of the 3401 makes it king of paint correction. It is more versatile, yes. It is also a random orbit type polisher, which is somewhat safer than the 3401.

I don't own a Cyclo, but have considered it. My PC is fine for now, but when I do decide to move on from the PC, I can get a 3401, and use the PC to do carpets and/or tight spaces with a 3.5" backing plate and pads.

I still think the Cyclo has a place in detailing for those who choose to use it. It hasn't survived for >50 years becase it is ineffective or lacking.

Thank you for your great information


That's what I was asking

You said
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As for its ability to get to tight spaces, it would be as good as any other polisher that uses 4" pads, just turn it sideways.
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It's great to know that


And flex 4031 I really like it
I think now I can buy 2 machine only
FLEX and cyclo
Or
FLEX and PC


I will do more searching cyclo Vs PC


Thank you

I couldn't disagree more . I don't find it cumbersome at all and quite easy to get into tight spots. And with 2 4" pads it's easy to cover alot of ground quickly . Throw included it's covering a 9"wide area. The cyclo is silky smooth and make a great 1 polisher option imo

That's great thing of cyclo
I'm sure it's good machine


Thank you

Getting back to the original poster, a Flex 3401 to handle paint correction is ideal. A DA, whether a Flex, Porter Cable, Rupes, or whatever else you may decide on can handle tight areas or carpet cleaning. The issues with the Flex is the limited backing plates available, and the same with the Rupes (depending on which Rupes). In both cases, the Flex and Rupes backing plates are more expensive because they are proprietary. Porter Cable or Cyclo can use backing plates from numerous suppliers, and have a wide variety of sizes. The pads are common to all, depending on backing plates. The Cyclo does have a specific emphasis on carpet cleaning, but there are brushes available in normal DA sizes from a variety of vendors. The Cyclo does have a unique design, with lower vibration, and has a long term track record, great reliability, and parts availability second to none. It is made in the USA, which may not mean much to people living outside the US, but at least you know it didn't come out of a fly by night outfit in China. Lots of options. Maybe a place to start is to look at some videos online for all of the polishers you are interested in, as well as Mike Philip's polishing DVDs.

Thank you for your great information

I will look at some video to decide which one to buy
PC or cyclo next to flex




Thanks everyone I appreciate your replies



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[postaltwo]

Yasser 222 if your set on getting the flex . Honestly I would just get a pc or groits machine for the small spots . Not say the cyclo isn't great. It is . It's just alot of money for minimal use . Imo the cyclo is an excellent main machine where versatility a d comfort is top of the list .

 

[Yaser222]

Yasser 222 if your set on getting the flex . Honestly I would just get a pc or groits machine for the small spots . Not say the cyclo isn't great. It is . It's just alot of money for minimal use . Imo the cyclo is an excellent main machine where versatility a d comfort is top of the list .

Thank you buddy for your advise

You are right
I will be using the machine just a little
As for Polish 6 car
Then coating the car
You know coating will be there at least for 1 year and some 2 years
So the Polish machine will be off until next year

I will be using only the other machine for carpet cleaning and leather all the year

Because of that I don't want to spend to much

I'm now thinking
I Buy flex and use it just once a year for each car
And then use whatever pc or griots for carpet

Or buy cyclo for polish all cars
Then continue use it for carpet and leather cleaning
( even I don't know how often need clean carpet and leather I don't want it to be over kill spacialy the leather its sensitive more that carpet)
And buy PC or griots for Polish small car



I couldn't decide which way I'm going with
But I think I like the first idea flex + pc

I need to do more searching for the devices


Thanks


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