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kevincwelch said:
You're not gonna develop silicosis from applying silica coatings.
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Not unless its misted. I dunno, its a concern and I would need a little more validation than "your not gonna decelop it" on the internet.
 
Something caught my eye a while back, it was Dr.G who said he develops products with his employees and his customers safety in mind, its a major priority.

Notice who doesnt have an sio2 spray?
 
JeffM said:
Not unless its misted. I dunno, its a concern and I would need a little more validation than "your not gonna decelop it" on the internet.
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I agree a respirator should be used when spraying/misting, but not when applying a coating to an applicator and wiping it on. Gloves may not hurt.
 
Rsurfer said:
I agree a respirator should be used when spraying/misting, but not when applying a coating to an applicator and wiping it on. Gloves may not hurt.
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Im not sure too many people wear a mask when waterless washing their car, its a concern worth thinking about I think.
 
JeffM said:
Not unless its misted. I dunno, its a concern and I would need a little more validation than "your not gonna decelop it" on the internet.
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ya i dont see why it wouldnt be an issue especially if its any type of product that has to dry, then be buffed off
 
JeffM said:
Something caught my eye a while back, it was Dr.G who said he develops products with his employees and his customers safety in mind, its a major priority.

Notice who doesnt have an sio2 spray?
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im not to sure who dr g is but pinnacle products also have that "safe for you and the environment" rule. i think thier slogan is science and nature in harmony... they dont have a coating either

polish angel sprays are supposed to have "the highest concentrations of scilica money can buy" in all thier sprays. i dont know how all five of them can have "the highest concentration money can buy" though??
 
JeffM said:
Not unless its misted. I dunno, its a concern and I would need a little more validation than "your not gonna decelop it" on the internet.
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Kevin knows his stuff concerning medical

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JeffM said:
Not unless its misted. I dunno, its a concern and I would need a little more validation than "your not gonna decelop it" on the internet.
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I can understand your concern, and my response wasn't to imply that one shouldn't utilize PPE when applying coatings. However, I'd be more concerned about inhaling the petroleum distillates and the kerosene that solubilize the silica crystals before I'd be concerned about inhaling the silica crystals themselves. Silicosis -- acute or chronic -- really is a condition that is infrequent and unique to a certain subset of individuals that develops when exposed to high concentrations of respirable silica. These are people who work in mines, work in the fracking industry, sandblasters, foundary workers and masons. These are people who absolutely need to wear PPE and have rotational exposure to this "dust" that is suspended and inhaled.

When you leave a bottle of a silica coating out, the hydrocarbons, which are volatile, leave behind the crystals and you can inhale the hydrocarbons, which can lead to dizziness, palpitations, neurological deficits and nausea/vomiting. Therefore, applying silica coatings in a well-ventilated area or with a respirator is advised, but not because of the silica.

If you check out the MSDS for CS, Mohs and CQuartz, you'll notice that often the respiratory complications or exposures aren't classified, and that generally means they fall below the calculated risks or data is not definitive.

http://nanopol.at.ua/MSDS-C_quartz.pdf
http://www.wax-it.be/msds/GYEON_MOHS_MSDS.pdf​

Knowing the the higher airborne concentrations of silica required to cause acute and chronic silicosis are immensely out of proportion to that during the typical coating application, I highly doubt doing a rinseless wash or QD with some silica-based lubricant in it is of any concern.

Frankly, I'd be more concerned about grinding down the paint with Gyeon Primer or CarPro Essence and getting that powder airborne than I would with any hand applied coating or spray coating.
 
kevincwelch said:
I can understand your concern, and my response wasn't to imply that one shouldn't utilize PPE when applying coatings. However, I'd be more concerned about inhaling the petroleum distillates and the kerosene that solubilize the silica crystals before I'd be concerned about inhaling the silica crystals themselves. Silicosis -- acute or chronic -- really is a condition that is infrequent and unique to a certain subset of individuals that develops when exposed to high concentrations of respirable silica. These are people who work in mines, work in the fracking industry, sandblasters, foundary workers and masons. These are people who absolutely need to wear PPE and have rotational exposure to this "dust" that is suspended and inhaled.

When you leave a bottle of a silica coating out, the hydrocarbons, which are volatile, leave behind the crystals and you can inhale the hydrocarbons, which can lead to dizziness, palpitations, neurological deficits and nausea/vomiting. Therefore, applying silica coatings in a well-ventilated area or with a respirator is advised, but not because of the silica.

If you check out the MSDS for CS and CQuartz, you'll notice that often the respiratory complications or exposures aren't classified, and that generally means they fall below the calculated risks or data is not definitive.

http://nanopol.at.ua/MSDS-C_quartz.pdf
http://www.wax-it.be/msds/GYEON_MOHS_MSDS.pdf​

Knowing the the higher airborne concentrations of silica required to cause acute and chronic silicosis are immensely out of proportion to that during the typical coating application, I highly doubt doing a rinseless wash or QD with some silica-based lubricant in it is of any concern.

Frankly, I'd be more concerned about grinding down the paint with Gyeon Primer or CarPro Essence and getting that powder airborne than I would with any hand applied coating or spray coating.
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Thanks for the explanation. I am always on the lookout for silica exposure because I am actually a mason :)
 
pheerix said:
I'm not a big fan of Opti Clean personally. Streaks and smells.
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Opti-clean worked fantastically well for me as waterless. Used it in my garage and the perfumey smell was overwhelming. Really wish they'd fix scent, or tone it down. Except for that it could be my go-to.

pheerix said:
I'm also quite picky about smells. Worried I won't like Ech2O's smell either.
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Not overpowering at all. I hate stinky stuff and had no issue with Ech2O.
 
Ech2o has a very pleasant "fresh" scent... smells just like Eraser to me (which I also like)
 
Does anyone know if it leaves protection behind or is it completely void of silica? I like it wouldn't give up my Ultima waterless though.
 
Mgavin1985 said:
Does anyone know if it leaves protection behind or is it completely void of silica? I like it wouldn't give up my Ultima waterless though.
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It does, how much I don't know. If Reload has 5% SiO2, EcH2O can't have much.
 
Hello. I have Capro Ech2o. Could i use it and as paint cleaner after washing my car? I have Carpro Eraser but i do not know if its paint cleaner. And one more question. Could i use Ech2o as dry aid when i wash my car and what dillution rate to use?
Thank you
 
demis34gt said:
Hello. I have Capro Ech2o. Could i use it and as paint cleaner after washing my car? I have Carpro Eraser but i do not know if its paint cleaner. And one more question. Could i use Ech2o as dry aid when i wash my car and what dillution rate to use?
Thank you
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Welcome to AGO.

By paint cleaner what exactly are you referring to? What are you trying to achieve? Paint cleaners to me are a polish or cleaner wax.

Eraser is designed to remove polishing oils.

EcH2o is an excellent drying aid at 1:20. It will enhance the gloss and leave a slick finish.
 
My fault Guz about paint cleaner...Thank you for your help. In order to use it as waterless wash in two weeks dust in the car paint is good the dilution rate 15:1? And for medium dert the dilution rate 5:1? I do not mind to use more of Ech2o in the dilutions. I do not want to have streaks in the car paint.
 
Dilution ratios pulled straight from Carpros website.

500ml makes up to 2 Gallons of (1:15) Waterless Spray
500ml makes up to 3 1/4 Gallons of Quick Detailer (1:25)
500ml makes up to 5 1/4 Gallons of Clay Lubricant (1:40)
500ml makes up to 26 1/2 Gallons of Rinse-less Wash (1:200)

For what you call “medium dert” and dust (2 weeks) use it at the waterless or rinseless dilution. For you call light dust use it at the waterless wash dilution. Hope this helps.


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