Mobile detailer or mobile car washer?

paint correction is different from detailing - paint correction is CORRECTING defects to PAINT via machine (polishing)..................
detailing is a THOROUGH cleaning above washing..............

Paint correction is the very heart of detailing.
All other services are lower in rank.

A thorough cleaning is part of detailing, but is just part of the bigger picture, and not the big picture.
Professional detailing is a true education and application of science and understanding regarding the surface materials being worked on, the tools and processes to address such surfaces, and the means to fully decontaminate and fully protect the material surfaces.
A thorough cleaning is just part of the process.

There are always exceptions to the rule.
Such as in cases of paint preservation, condition and thickness of paint /clear coat, and overall preservation of antiques, museum pieces, and collectibles.
Even still, decontamination processes followed by protection processes would apply, neither of which would a thorough cleaning provide.

Analogy.
Flipping burgers at the local fast food joint does not a 4 Star Chef make.
So, advertising ones services as 4 Star, when they barely qualify as 1 Star, is false advertising and misleading to the customer.
 
Paint correction is the very heart of detailing.
All other services are lower in rank.

I respectfully disagree with this.

IMO the heart of detailing is correcting both whatever it is the client is concerned about, and all the DETAILS that the client doesn't even realize makes the vehicle "pop". I know paint correction is perhaps the most glamorous to many, but I think calling it the "heart of detailing" is a bit overboard.

What about the client that has paint in good condition but stains all over the interior, would not completely renewing and correcting the interior be just as much at the heart of detailing as removing some swirls?

Consider the completely faded and dried trim on an Avalanche or Jeep, wouldn't restoring it to like new appearance be just as critical as polishing the typical swirls out?

I've detailed vehicles both professionally and personally that I have spent just as much if not more time on the interior as I did doing paint correction. Not all paint requires heavy correction, but the vehicle still needs a good detail.

Don't get me wrong, I agree full heartedly that there is a large difference between washing a car and detailing a car, but as someone mentioned earlier "detailing" is very subjective. I work with a gal who bragged about how good her car looked cause she just got it detailed, I looked at it and it was no more than washed, vacuumed and wiped down with some shiny stuff, but in her mind that was detailed, and she was a very pleased client.

A detailer in my mind should be able to offer expertise and proficiency in all areas of reconditioning requiring no paint or material replacement. The exception being paint less dent removal, although if I was going to do Detailing full time for a living, I would likely add that to my repertoire of skills.

Now on the flip side, I understand why a true detailer would be miffed by a company calling themselves a detailer and not really detailing. In many demographics it makes it very difficult to explain why your detail is in the neighborhood of $700-$1,000, when the other "detailers" are in the $150 range (those prices are just for my market).
 
I think the heart of detailing is deep and thorough cleaning.

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And restoring all surfaces to like new condition.

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I think the heart of detailing is deep and thorough cleaning.

And that folks is the difference between a Pro and a has been. The has been spent 30 minutes typing his thoughts, the pro spent 2 minutes posting some pictures to prove the same point.
 
And that folks is the difference between a Pro and a has been. The has been spent 30 minutes typing his thoughts, the pro spent 2 minutes posting some pictures to prove the same point.

You're the man. I'm just an Autogeek.


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I respectfully disagree with this.

IMO the heart of detailing is correcting both whatever it is the client is concerned about, and all the DETAILS that the client doesn't even realize makes the vehicle "pop". I know paint correction is perhaps the most glamorous to many, but I think calling it the "heart of detailing" is a bit overboard.

What about the client that has paint in good condition but stains all over the interior, would not completely renewing and correcting the interior be just as much at the heart of detailing as removing some swirls?

Consider the completely faded and dried trim on an Avalanche or Jeep, wouldn't restoring it to like new appearance be just as critical as polishing the typical swirls out?

I've detailed vehicles both professionally and personally that I have spent just as much if not more time on the interior as I did doing paint correction. Not all paint requires heavy correction, but the vehicle still needs a good detail.

Don't get me wrong, I agree full heartedly that there is a large difference between washing a car and detailing a car, but as someone mentioned earlier "detailing" is very subjective. I work with a gal who bragged about how good her car looked cause she just got it detailed, I looked at it and it was no more than washed, vacuumed and wiped down with some shiny stuff, but in her mind that was detailed, and she was a very pleased client.

A detailer in my mind should be able to offer expertise and proficiency in all areas of reconditioning requiring no paint or material replacement. The exception being paint less dent removal, although if I was going to do Detailing full time for a living, I would likely add that to my repertoire of skills.

Now on the flip side, I understand why a true detailer would be miffed by a company calling themselves a detailer and not really detailing. In many demographics it makes it very difficult to explain why your detail is in the neighborhood of $700-$1,000, when the other "detailers" are in the $150 range (those prices are just for my market).

Well said and very good points.
This conversation has been a bit over simplified, and we have all been speaking in very general terms for the most part.

It is important to point out that the nature of the word detail implies a host of professional services.
The majority of businesses that advertise detail, but only offer simple interior and exterior cleanings:
- Do not offer paint correction.
- Are often not licensed and insured, nor paying taxes.
- Do not typically inventory necessary tools and products to address challenges that present themselves on the job, even for thorough cleaning only jobs.
- Etc.....

There are vehicles with paint and clear coat in good shape, and not in immediate need of paint correction.
However, all paint and clear coat could use a complete decontamination and complete protection application at the end.
These steps would not be covered under a thorough cleaning.

Interior details are as important as exterior details, in my opinion.
I always advise new detailers to become interior experts first, before paint correction experts.
Trashed interiors are common on most details, and all detailers will serve themselves much better to know the different types of stains they are dealing with, know the best products to address the specific stains, and have the right tools that make everyone's life easier.
I also find interiors to be a very time consuming process, and often as much time as exteriors.

Trim restoration is certainly part of detailing.
It is necessary for almost all vehicles at some point, and beneficial for all detailers to offer such a service.
This is another thing not included in a thorough cleaning.

There is certainly a level of subjectivity in professional detailing.
However, the more qualified, skilled, and experienced the detailer, the less subjective the profession of detailing becomes.
The less qualified, less skilled, and less experienced the detailer, the more subjective everything becomes.
 
IMHO: It often boils down to
the Public's Perception:

Over the years...
I've often heard the general populace
refer to detailers (in a tone that I can
only believe was meant to be pejorative)
as being nothing more than: "carwashers"
and/or "glorified shoe shine boys".

That, in and of itself, was clue enough
to what they were willing to pay...
regardless the detailing services rendered.



Bob
 
Wow, this thread kind of ran off the rails since the last time I checked into it.

I'm sorry, I don't think you guys are going to "win" trying to get companies to change their name to take "detail" out because they don't do enough for you to consider them "detailers". When I buy a box of Arm & Hammer baking soda I don't take it back to the supermarket and complain that there were no arms and no hammers in with the baking soda.

I mean right here in this thread I think we have a member whose company is a "car wash", who does "detailing", and a member whose company is a "detailing" company, who only does car washes. As I said in the beginning this is a silly argument and only in the polarized world we live in could members be bashing each other for having different definitions of words, when we're all trying to do the same thing.

Worry about making your customers happy, call whatever you're doing what you call it and explain what it is you're doing to your potential customers. Arguing whether the line is crossed from "car washing" to "detailing" when you dress a tire or when you polish paint, and the guy who polishes isn't going to be able to get the guy who only dresses tires to stop calling himself a detailer. Sheesh.

I mean how many companies are there that are "Fred's HVAC" and you figure the owner is Fred but no, he's Jim, who bought the company from Fred...do you want him to change the name because it's false advertising? Should it not be Lockheed because the Loughhead brothers aren't there anymore? Should it not be Chrysler since there's no Chrysler brothers there anymore? If I start my business as "Setec's Car Washing" and then later I decide to dress tires, do I have to change the name to "Setec's Car Washing and Tire Dressing"? And then if I start waxing, do I have to change it to "Setec's Car Washing, Tire Dressing, and Waxing"? Or can I just call it "Setec's Detailing" from the beginning, because I'm getting tired of repainting my truck already!

Sheesh, you guys got me to waste 15 minutes on this already...I guess if I was a pro I could have gotten it done in 2.
 
What FUNX650 (Bob if I may be so bold) said......is maybe the most applicable...it often boils down to public perception. I do not consider myself a 'detailer', especially based on what I've seen others on here accomplish. People that I work with see the way I keep my vehicles, and I'm occasionally asked who 'details' them....to which I happily respond..."I do". Often, people say..."I didn't know you were a detailer too". The average person has no idea what a hologram is, what a swirl is, what a buffer trail is....they just like their vehicle to be clean and shiny....to them...'detailed'.
 
Wow, this thread kind of ran off the rails since the last time I checked into it.

I'm sorry, I don't think you guys are going to "win" trying to get companies to change their name to take "detail" out because they don't do enough for you to consider them "detailers". When I buy a box of Arm & Hammer baking soda I don't take it back to the supermarket and complain that there were no arms and no hammers in with the baking soda.

I mean right here in this thread I think we have a member whose company is a "car wash", who does "detailing", and a member whose company is a "detailing" company, who only does car washes. As I said in the beginning this is a silly argument and only in the polarized world we live in could members be bashing each other for having different definitions of words, when we're all trying to do the same thing.

Worry about making your customers happy, call whatever you're doing what you call it and explain what it is you're doing to your potential customers. Arguing whether the line is crossed from "car washing" to "detailing" when you dress a tire or when you polish paint, and the guy who polishes isn't going to be able to get the guy who only dresses tires to stop calling himself a detailer. Sheesh.

I mean how many companies are there that are "Fred's HVAC" and you figure the owner is Fred but no, he's Jim, who bought the company from Fred...do you want him to change the name because it's false advertising? Should it not be Lockheed because the Loughhead brothers aren't there anymore? Should it not be Chrysler since there's no Chrysler brothers there anymore? If I start my business as "Setec's Car Washing" and then later I decide to dress tires, do I have to change the name to "Setec's Car Washing and Tire Dressing"? And then if I start waxing, do I have to change it to "Setec's Car Washing, Tire Dressing, and Waxing"? Or can I just call it "Setec's Detailing" from the beginning, because I'm getting tired of repainting my truck already!

Sheesh, you guys got me to waste 15 minutes on this already...I guess if I was a pro I could have gotten it done in 2.
Yeah I thought I was being really cool having "detail" in my tag line instead the main name. Was a great idea when I first started but as the years...Oh so many years have passed I continually think about changing it but it's made its imprint and I'm just not sure want to even if it's just adding "and auto detail" at the end.

I ran into the client again today while running errands and shared some of everyone's thoughts over the last few days, he sees both sides of it as I do to.

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Exceptional work on the carpeting. :props:

McKee's APC?

Did you use an extractor, or was it blot/wipe route?

Thanks!
And that was actually Folex, spray, rub, and wipe up.

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Followed by Meguiars APC on some areas of the carpet that weren't stained and just needed a general scrub and wipe up. That was before I had Mckee's APC.


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If a car washer as a last step walks around with a spray wax has he/she graduated to detailer?? Or an extra 15 minutes with a cleaner / wax via hand?


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