Is this a joke? BF Pro APC is $70/gallon?!?!?!

Its called Marketing. If they get enough hype around it some cows just herd up and buy it. LOL.
 
It could be well worth $70, or it might not be as good as a $20 competitor. We have to see some reviews with comparisons to have valid conclusions.

I'm excited by the new BLACKFIRE line if it's been reformulated to achieve better results. So far I haven't seen any information about reformulation, so the new products may be feature only fresh labels and bottles.

BLACKFIRE is my favorite line for my own van. I use CarPro stuff on my wife's Escape because it's coated with CQuartz.

Maybe there'll be more information today.
 
Jaddie said:
It could be well worth $70, or it might not be as good as a $20 competitor. We have to see some reviews with comparisons to have valid conclusions.

I'm excited by the new BLACKFIRE line if it's been reformulated to achieve better results. So far I haven't seen any information about reformulation, so the new products may be feature only fresh labels and bottles.

BLACKFIRE is my favorite line for my own van. I use CarPro stuff on my wife's Escape because it's coated with CQuartz.

Maybe there'll be more information today.
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I can't imagine an APC being worth $70/gallon.
 
complete rip off..pass on this one..this is the reason why I stay away from most of the house brand products they have..other products in the market can do the same thing at lower price point..
 
Nix said:
complete rip off..pass on this one..this is the reason why I stay away from most of the house brand products they have..other products in the market can do the same thing at lower price point..
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You know my Mother use to say, "if you don't have something good to say, don't say anything".:ban:
 
My Mom said tell the truth.

So, I'll go with both Mom's and say it depends on the product. I buy Gtechnique's Universal Cleaner at about twice that price per ounce. Best cleaner I've ever used and I only use it at 50:1 on plastic.
 
Rsurfer said:
You know my Mother use to say, "if you don't have something good to say, don't say anything".:ban:
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I agree with him, I cannot imagine it working $70 good, especially since $28 good seems good enough. I have gotten FLAK on here before for talking down product sold on here, or mentioning my positive experiences with other products that aren't. People always say "oh, well that's not sold here so you can't mention it."

I'm sorry, I thought this was a detailing forum, my bad.

If someone wants to spend $70 on that stuff, be my guest. At that dilution ratio though I can't see it working out for anyone, especially a business.
 
This is an outrage! I can't believe anybody would dare to... oh, wait a sec... I forgot that I could just not choose to buy it. Never mind.
 
PouncingPanzer said:
I agree with him, I cannot imagine it working $70 good, especially since $28 good seems good enough. I have gotten FLAK on here before for talking down product sold on here, or mentioning my positive experiences with other products that aren't. People always say "oh, well that's not sold here so you can't mention it."

I'm sorry, I thought this was a detailing forum, my bad.
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People say that because it's literally against the forum rules to promote other products. They're not just trying to rain on your parade or fanboying. This is an Autogeek-sponsored forum so you choose to abide by those rules when you sign up. It's nothing personal. Here is rule numero uno on the forum:

1. The AutogeekOnline discussion forum is exclusively sponsored by Autogeek.com. Product discussion should be limited to products that are available from Autogeek.com and PBMA's family of websites.


Links, videos or recommendations to competing products and companies that are not available through Autogeek.com will be moved to the Moderators forum and offenders will be warned or simply placed into the SELF-BANNED category of member groups on this forum.
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Heisenberg said:
People say that because it's literally against the forum rules to promote other products. They're not just trying to rain on your parade or fanboying. This is an Autogeek-sponsored forum so you choose to abide by those rules when you sign up. It's nothing personal. Here is rule numero uno on the forum:
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Not to mention autogeek carries a pretty dang huge variety of products, almost anything I've ever decided to get was available from here.
 
I get the rules but MY goodness...why can't anyone choose to express an opinion (even if it may be ~perceived~ as negative) without fear of being silenced by the Forum Police Troopers?
 
evo77 said:
I get the rules but MY goodness...why can't anyone choose to express an opinion (even if it may be ~perceived~ as negative) without fear of being silenced by the Forum Police Troopers?
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^^^this..
 
evo77 said:
I get the rules but MY goodness...why can't anyone choose to express an opinion (even if it may be ~perceived~ as negative) without fear of being silenced by the Forum Police Troopers?
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I don't think it's the negativity that's the problem. People have been plenty negative about products sold here. I know I have. The problems arise when you get into the "products not sold here" realm.

I think as long as the discussions remain cordial and not offensive in how they express their opinions, yet within the bounds of the TOU, things should carry on without issue.
 
KirkH said:
I can't imagine an APC being worth $70/gallon.
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I agree with you 100%

I work for one of the largest distributors of Jan San / MRO in the country and The Home Depot bought us two years ago. I have seen every type of cleaner, degreaser, carpet cleaner you name it. It's defintely not rocket science, the chemicals are all the same, the blends etc. I rep the top manufacturers in the country. SC Johnson, Spartan Chemical, Clorox, P & G etc. and regularly work with factory reps. Their is no way in the world I'm paying $70.00 for a gallon of all purpose cleaner. Even diluting that stuff 4-1 it's still pricey and then is it even effective. I sell health care grade disinfectants that are 256-1 and they aren't $70.00 a gallon. Disinfectants cost more to mfg. than apc, degreasers etc. It also doesn't hurt that I see true purchase costs of these types of products too. Say I sell an apc to my customers @ $10.00 per gallon at diltion ratio of 1oz per 32oz water = 32 gallons in use / $10.00 = .3125 per gallon!!

A couple hours ago I was out at St. Pete Beach at some resort properties showing them a new portable dilution control system. They would laugh you off the property if you showed up with an APC and told them it was $70.00 per gallon with a max 4/1 dilution ratio. This one property had 800 rooms and a huge outdoor resort
property and beach area they maintain every day. They are pros, it's gotta work, be cheap and be user friendly.
 
I would gladly pay $70 a gallon for a hyper-concentrated APC/degreaser. If you could diluted 3-4oz per gallon and create an APC that was incredibly effective at that dilution THAT would be worth it IMO. The fact that the recommended dilution is full strength for exterior cleaning and 4:1 for interior cleaning makes it terrible value. I'm pretty certainly curious to see what ingredients were added to the old formula to justify the $15 price jump. Or if it's an entirely new formula all together? Also, while it's still pretty unreal, the list price for the new Blackfire APC is actually $64.99 not $70.
 
mwoywod said:
Also, while it's still pretty unreal, the list price for the new Blackfire APC is actually $64.99 not $70.
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Sale Price: $65.00
You Save $5.98 (8%)
Item ID: BF-450128-BTL
Retail Value: $70.98

So it will jump to 70.98..
 
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