Interest in cars with the younger generation, what happened?

Follow the money, LOL!

I'm trying to figure out how the little guys bailing out the banks factors in to why the younger generation isn't into cars like we all were when their age but it's cool

I think it's a reflection of how the values of the country have changed over time, in many ways. How many car factory employees who lived through the wage changes after 2008 told their sons not to follow in their footsteps? I remember reading in the 90's how the Japanese, who were still killing it back then, had a factory labor shortage, because the children of the workers in the Honda, Toyota, etc. plants, didn't want to be factory workers like their parents.
 
To pick up on ronin's post way back on page 1 here, I think today's youth, along with our entire society, is peppered with info overload supplying a ripe environment for ADD. You can't watch a sports telecast without a scroller running along the bottom of the screen or another broadcast with a talking head in the middle of the screen surrounded by data blocks of info all around it. That's not neccessarily a bad thing but it makes the eyes and the brain jump around to process it all.

And its not just tv shows but throughout our new daily lives and it fosters a mind that can't keep a focused attention on any one thing for long. I have maybe 50 apps on my phone and I bounce around about 8 of them daily. And that's on a device that's in my pocket 18 hours a day!

When I was a kid I had cars, school, family stuff, chicks, beers with the boyz and sports. That was about it. Cars were a culture along with the other 4-5 things. Nowadays cars are immersed in a hundred other daily things in a kids life. And all rapidly change from minute to minute.

And the phone was in the house on a wall with a cord...
 
Paul, the last part is

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When I was a kid I had cars, school, family stuff, chicks, beers with the boyz and sports. That was about it. Cars were a culture along with the other 4-5 things. Nowadays cars are immersed in a hundred other daily things in a kids life. And all rapidly change from minute to minute.

And the phone was in the house on a wall with a cord...

I don't know if life for many youth today is that much different than what you describe when you grew up (my life was very similar). I've got two daughters in the rough demographic we're discussing. Both of them occupied their lives with friends, family, school, and sports. The only difference is the way the interact and the length of time involved. Each was only in one sporting activity, but it ran year-round and took up a good chunk of their spare time. I did three sports that took up less of my life than the one sport they participate. Interactions with friends are often ad-hoc and via electronic means, whereas we would have to take our bikes/cars to a friends house or beg our parents for a little time on the phone mounted to the wall.

The hobbies and interests have shifted from things of a more concrete nature like cars, hunting/fishing, etc to a more virtual world. We hung out at malls, they hang out on social media. We went to the movies, they watch Netflix. We'd go to a park and play pick up games of football or beach volleyball, they fire up an XBox and join an online game. We used to discuss the V-8 in the latest Mustang or the 4WS on new Honda Prelude, they discuss the IT infrastructure of their favorite multi-player gaming environment, or tech-specs on the latest on the hottest devices.

I view it simply a shift which must be understood in order to find opportunities to pass along my interests to a younger generation in hopes it will stick. The young gear-heads are out there. They are a smaller group and I'd say they are smarter and more passionate. Conversations I've had with guys in their late teen's - early 20's show an incredibly deep understanding and way more background than I posses. Heck, I spent 20 minutes one day debating the merits of the Mk6 vs Mk7 GTI with three high school kids one Saturday!

If you're up for it, stroll over to Jalopnik some day if you don't already. The entire editorial staff of that blog is under 35, and I'd bet most of the thousands of commenters are as well. There is some naivete in their writing and comments, but there is no doubt the culture lives on...just different.
 
I saw a figure that said we could've paid off every US citizens mortgage with the bank bailout money. Instead they were convinced to give it to the banks, because the banks said they'd loan it out to people. They didn't . They bought stuff and gave bonuses with it.

And no one held them accountable.

Unfortunately, whoever came up with that fable musta skipped math class. Bank bailout was around $700 Billion, mortgage debt at the time was around $10 Trillion.

Not condoning bank bailout by any means but re-directing to private mortgage payoffs might have been even more irritating to me personally. Signed first mortgage at 9% in 1991, paid off by 2003, did this by being fiscally responsible and watching every penny. Shoveling money to idiots who thought they could afford 6000 sq ft McMansions, 2 jet skis, a Cadillac Escalade and an Audi on $50K a year would have been a tragic case of enabling stupidity.

While there was, in fact, definite cases of predatory lending going on, the majority were likely just folks whose reach exceeded their grasp...and somewhere deep down they must realized the impracticality of it and yet signed on the line anyway. Don't do the crime if ya can't do the time.

Now if there were some kinda Federal program to provide me some financial relief after all the Black Friday/Holiday sales at Autogeek, Autopia and others, I'd will willing to listen and get behind that program.
 
Good discussion. Going to skip the stuff veering toward politics since I likely won't add anything new it will likely end up being divisive. My take on car cost is that I don't see cars as being more expensive now than they were 20 or 30 years ago.

In the year I bought a 2012 Sentra with 60K miles and in great shape for $6.5K. That's about $3K in 1988 dollars. In 1988 I paid right around $3K for a 1983 Mazda 626 with 90K miles on it. It was good car that I drove to over 250K miles with no major repairs. I'm hoping to do the same with the Sentra. I could have bought a less nice but reliable car for as little as $3K. Reliable commuter cars between $2-3K are out there.

I get that people want to believe emotionally that cars and insurance are more expensive now. That data doesn't show that. I could be wrong, and an happy to learn how and why I'm not getting it. If anything cars seem to be less expensive now than they were when most of us were in our late teens and early 20s.
 
My take on car cost is that I don't see cars
as being more expensive now than they
were 20 or 30 years ago.

I get that people want to believe emotionally
that cars and insurance are more expensive
now. That data doesn't show that. I could be
wrong, and an happy to learn how and why
I'm not getting it. If anything cars seem to be
less expensive now than they were when most
of us were in our late teens and early 20s
.
Top of the line, total cost ~$5500...
(1967 dollars):


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Top of the line, starting at >$120,000...
(2018 dollars):


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I did a quick Google search of 1967 dollars and 2017 dollars and its shocking....how shocking you may ask! Well the car Bob posted, the upcoming ZR1 @ $120K and the "loaded" 1967 Corvette with the tri-power option at almost $5600 would put it @$41K. Without looking it up, when did the Corvette last cost $41K in top spec I wonder?

Now I will say that the L-88 was THE top spec Corvette in 1967 but was VERY limited production and not really a street car, so this is probably why Bob chose the car he did, for comparison sakes. Now I know this, if a loaded Corvette, even a Z51, would cost $41K you'd see a lot more people driving them around and I mean people that can get in and out of them easy, just sayin'.

Im putting on my flame suit as I type this but if I'm spending $120K, I'll take this, a lightly modded pro-touring Mid-Year coupe:

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........or this thing with its picnic table rear wing and yeah, I'm sure it works or it wouldn't be there but hey, that's just my .02 cents worth, or .75 cents worth, gotta factor in inflation, LOL!

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Apples and oranges. You could argue that luxury and sports car cost have gone up relative to inflation. I won't debate that. What we're talking about is young adults being able to afford cars. This likely means the low end of the car new car spectrum.

My parents bought a new 1967 VW bug for about $1800. As an adult I asked why they bought it and was told it was the cheapest car they could find. (Maybe, maybe not.) But I think we'll all agree that in 1967 that was a budget car. That's the same as $14,000 now.

Last year I looked at budget cars. I could have gotten a Chevy Spark out the door for $12K and change. which is the equivalent of $1600 in 1967. A stripped down Kia Soul (stick) was $13.5K out the door. And it has a 100K mile warranty. Relative to the 60s, this a is a much better value.

I'm still not seeing that budge cars are more expensive now than they have been historically. If anything they seem less expensive.
 
Budget cars are dirt cheap because SUV owners are paying for them. They are made to meet (offset) fuel efficiency numbers.
 
Assume that's correct. Does it take away from the fact that entry level cars are not more expensive now than 20 or 30 years ago?
 
Ok, just a reset here. Great discussion and here's where we're at right now:

-Electronic devices are more important than the freedom a car gives you

-Its the bank bailout's fault

-New cars are too much money

-Insurance is too much money

These are the couple right off the top of my head, LOL. Like rock and roll, the generation before you was looked up to, to some degree and you wanted what they had but would always try to be a bit different because maybe they were "old". We would always get a beater as our first car, in most cases, its like a right of passage and for some it started there. "One day, I'm going to have a nice car", the seed is/was planted. For some reason, that took a detour, pun intended and I started the thread to tap into this, trying to find out "why the torch wasn't passed" or if it was, why didn't we make sure someone had a grip on it so it would keep on keeping on? I brought up music because it too seems to have gone the same route and yeah, I know you can find it but there was always good, new music on the radio, stuff that people knew about.
 
Then there is the other 98% of the population who see an automobile as nothing more than a way to get from point a to point b regardless of their income level. We've all seen and I continue to see everyday cars from beaters, to mid level to $150K dirty, abused, unwashed etc. We are the 1%-2% ers, always have been always will be.
 
Then there is the other 98% of the population who a see an automobile as nothing more than a way to get from point a to point b

Is kinda funny that something we spend countless hours and hundreds (if not thousands) of dollars achieving is often summed up by most as "Oh, wash your car recently?" in passing as they walk on by without a second glance.
 
I'm 47 years old, my buddy Hectour is 38 and we talk about cars all the time. I actually wish our conversations were recorded and/or were on a podcast because they seem to go everywhere. The other day we were talking about why there isn't more younger people at the cars and coffee shows? Also why there aren't more Japanese cars at the cars and coffee type shows? I can only speak for myself but when I was 19 I would attend a local cruise night with my 78' Caprice Classic 2 door. It certainly wasn't a fast car at that time but it was my pride and joy and I continued to build it up over the years. I took a year off of having a toy in 1994 but in 1995 I got behind a Cobra Mustang and it said "Have you been bitten lately" and I snapped, went to the bank that week and bought a used 1987 Grand National. I owned that car for 5 years and modded it every year I owned it, went to cruise nights and drove it everywhere, except during the winter, always had a winter beater with the toys, ofcoarse. A lot of people were really into having cars, it seemed like a right of passage, atleast to me, it was "cool", fast forward to today.

Today you've got teens not getting their drivers licenses, taking an Uber to get around and not being interested in cars in general, kinda like what's happened to rock and roll as well. I mean we attend cars and coffees all over the greater Chicagoland area, really nice areas as well as middle of the road areas and you just don't see the younger crowd. Its not about having the latest and greatest but rather what are YOU working on right now. It doesn't even have to be mainstream, I mean I modded a 78' Caprice Classic coupe and would always hear "why did you build a Grandpa car" or "why not a Monte Carlo or something lighter?" Since then I've always appreciated something "different", so there has to be others out there like this as well but cars and being into them has seemed to be relegated to a "thing of the past".

I brought up Japanese cars and here in the greater Chicagoland there are all types of people and import cars are very popular and there were even cruise nights that catered to them but they've literally dried up over night. I used to go to them when I had my CR-Z which was from 2011 to 2014, now they've gone away, like the big top was brought down and it left town. Where did these cars go? I should also note that at these shows ALL cars were welcomed too, unlike the classic car shows where people would always look down their noses at imports or newer cars, that "built, not bought" attitude or "Murica" tude. I look at it like this, there should be a movement to keep the flame alive with cars, now more than ever because we've got this "movement" to electrify cars and even take the steering wheel and pedals out of the car, forget about "save the manuals", how about save the cars and get back into them.

So I ask, to everyone here, do you notice the same waning interest in cars with the younger generation? Btw, I'm not yelling at anyone to get off my lawn either, LOL, just wanted to pick the brains of my fellow geeks out there, thank you!

Around here I notice quite a few younger people at cars and coffee events

Don’t worry I am raising mine right. He needs to stop watching YouTube though seems GTRs are popular with the video bloggers

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We got there and the rims were dusty so he had to wipe them down

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How many 8 year olds know how to change oil in a snowblower or lawnmower?

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Around here I notice quite a few younger people at cars and coffee events

Don’t worry I am raising mine right. He needs to stop watching YouTube though seems GTRs are popular with the video bloggers

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We got there and the rims were dusty so he had to wipe them down

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How many 8 year olds know how to change oil in a snowblower or lawnmower?

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Do you live in Illinois? I'm in Elk Grove Village. Great pic of the kids at the show btw

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Do you live in Illinois? I'm in Elk Grove Village. Great pic of the kids at the show btw

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Central Indiana. I know the area I have family in aurora and Batavia


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Reboot bump for those who missed this thread

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