Dusting with Griots FCC... what did I do wrong?

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Hey all. I was helping a buddy remove some swirls, and I was using Griots Fast Correcting Cream on an orange pad. I used about 4-5 dime sized dots and prepped the pad with pad prep spray, and I was getting terrible dusting on adjacent panels. It was warm, so I thought that might have been it. But I don't ever remember this happening like yesterday. What did I do wrong?

To Mike P - I watched a couple of your videos last night, and I know you tend to do the X or circle with your compound. This seems like a LOT more product than a lot of videos I've seen. Could I have been short on product? Would more pad prep spray have helped?

Any help would be appreciated. I haven't done much real correction lately and I feel like I forgot everything I learned.

On a brighter note, his hood looks awesome. We did the rest with HD speed and didn't have any issues.


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Sounds to me like you are using enough FCC if you are also using a pad prep spray... In my experience you do not need to "butter the pad" with FCC to prime it. Just add about 4 dime size dots as you had and "kiss the panel" with it to prime your working area. I gave up on the pad prep sprays also as they just tended to make the polish or compound I was using sling all over. YMMV.

Were you using a new pad or one that had been previously used? If the pad was used before, it is possible that it was not cleaned well enough to remove all of the old residue. This could be the source of the problem. Just a guess though...
 
Interesting... I was using a previously used pad. That could be a factor. I feel like I clean my pads really well, but maybe not. How many wash/rinse cycles should I need to do on pads? I usually do about 3-4.
 
I don't clean my foam buffing pads in the wash machine, but do them by hand instead. When a pad is dirty, I take it off the buffer and put it in a bucket of water with one of the PBMG citrus pad cleaner products (such as this BlackFire product below) to soak until I am ready to hand wash them in the sink...

BLACKFIRE Advanced Pad Cleaner & Restorer

I then wash them with Poorboys Tornado Pad Cleaner:

Poorboy?s World Tornado Pad Cleaner

That method seems to work the best for me.
 
Regarding dusting... the only other thing I can think of is make sure you are cleaning your pad on the fly after each panel. If you don't, the pad will load up with spent product and certainly contribute to a dusting issue.
 
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Interesting... I was using a previously used pad. That could be a factor. I feel like I clean my pads really well, but maybe not. How many wash/rinse cycles should I need to do on pads? I usually do about 3-4.
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Before use, I like to run a nylon brush while the polisher spins the pad. As clean as the pads look after rinsing several times, I still sometimes get some dusting when I take a brush on a spinning foam pad. Once I'm satisfied, I proceed to use the pad as normal.

P.S. I do that away from the car I'm working on! (Sometimes into a "dust collecting" bucket, depending if I'm doing a mobile job or not).
 
If it was the pads, wouldn't the HD speed have done the same thing? It didn't. Maybe it was just that one pad, but I clean all pads the same, and I'm pretty anal most of the time.
 
I always brush and then vacuum a dry cleaned pad before using it. Doesn't matter how clean I think the pad looks, I always get a dust storm the first time the pad is used, but the vacuuming does help.
 
jdgamble said:
Hey all. I was helping a buddy remove some swirls, and I was using Griots Fast Correcting Cream on an orange pad. I used about 4-5 dime sized dots and prepped the pad with pad prep spray, and I was getting terrible dusting on adjacent panels. It was warm, so I thought that might have been it. But I don't ever remember this happening like yesterday. What did I do wrong?

To Mike P - I watched a couple of your videos last night, and I know you tend to do the X or circle with your compound. This seems like a LOT more product than a lot of videos I've seen. Could I have been short on product? Would more pad prep spray have helped?

Any help would be appreciated. I haven't done much real correction lately and I feel like I forgot everything I learned.

On a brighter note, his hood looks awesome. We did the rest with HD speed and didn't have any issues.


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You mentioned it being warm, but just to ask: Were you working in direct sun?
 
Four dimes sized dots seems a bit much.

Try backing off on the size, and see what happens.

You might also be "over-cycling" the compound. This is where you work it so long that you exhaust the lubricant, and the remaining abrasives are able to dust away.

I usually start off my compounding with four or five small dots around the circumference, and reload with three when using foam.
 
So I just tried brushing my cleaned pads and nothing came out. That leads me to believe dried product in the pads was not the issue.


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Two things here that it could be. The paint was warm so the FCC dried up a bit faster than normal and over polishing resulted in dusting, OR , the used pad still had some product or residue left in it from previous use and wasn't cleaned well enough and when used it dusted up a bit. As mentioned, try a brand new pad with the same process and see how that goes, preferably on a more cool surface.
 
Just while we're on the subject, does anyone put polish/compound on the pad like Mike? In a couple of his videos, he puts a big X or a circle on the pad and gets great results. I feel like it would go everywhere if I did that.


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jdgamble said:
Just while we're on the subject, does anyone put polish/compound on the pad like Mike? In a couple of his videos, he puts a big X or a circle on the pad and gets great results. I feel like it would go everywhere if I did that.


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Yup, I do it like that everytime. And I don’t go around kissing the panel prior to starting the polisher, I just slowly throttle for a couple of seconds and then full speed. No splatter.

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jdgamble said:
Just while we're on the subject, does anyone put polish/compound on the pad like Mike? In a couple of his videos, he puts a big X or a circle on the pad and gets great results. I feel like it would go everywhere if I did that.


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Yes pretty much the same when using a foam pad, for the first section. Each subsequent section only needs 2 or 3 drops at the most.
 
jdgamble said:
Just while we're on the subject, does anyone put polish/compound on the pad like Mike? In a couple of his videos, he puts a big X or a circle on the pad and gets great results. I feel like it would go everywhere if I did that.
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sometimes I do. Not often, but sometimes. Most recently...

 
Eldorado2k said:
Yup, I do it like that everytime. And I don’t go around kissing the panel prior to starting the polisher, I just slowly throttle for a couple of seconds and then full speed. No splatter.

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Spoken like a true WaxMaster!!

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