Swirl Removal 2015 Ram 1500 - Black

AaronE said:
I'll keep that in mind! Do you think the M09 will handle swirls pretty well like they claim or do you think the 105 will be needed or even a completely different polish/compound?
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That's hard to say.

M205 actually seems to both cut and finish better than M09. You might be able to accomplish your goals with M205, or even M86 (sits between M105 and M205).

Also, the "swirls" M09 is intended to remove are rotary induced "swirls", or buffer trails.
 
dlc95 said:
That's hard to say.

M205 actually seems to both cut and finish better than M09. You might be able to accomplish your goals with M205, or even M86 (sits between M105 and M205).

Also, the "swirls" M09 is intended to remove are rotary induced "swirls", or buffer trails.
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Is there a guide to Meguiars polishing products available? I didn't see anything online (their naming system for products can be a bit confusing and bounce all over).
 
AaronE said:
Is there a guide to Meguiars polishing products available? I didn't see anything online (their naming system for products can be a bit confusing and bounce all over).
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Hello AaronE,

I agree with you regarding the Meguiars product line-up. It is absolutely infuriating to try and navigate through the muddy waters that they have created. They REALLY need to streamline their offerings. It's one of the main reasons I am leaving Meguiars for a different label.

There is a nice "Abrasive Chart" floating around that depicts how different manufacturer's compounds and polishes compare on a common 1 thru 10 abrasive scale. It does include some offerings from Megs. Perhaps someone can post it here.
 
AaronE,

If you want to stay in the Meguiars line-up, their D300 compound is also supposed to be very good, little to no dusting and much more user friendly! Not quite as much cut as M105, but a lot easier to work with.
The M105 can be tough, tougher than it needs to be to work with. It is NOT SMAT (abrasives that break down during polishing), it has a relatively short working cycle, and if you don't remove it quickly, it becomes a battle to get off. You may want to consider starting with the Megs D300 all over, then, if there are any remaining swirls/scratches, hit them individually with M105, Finish with M205 all over and then wax.

Or, try the BOSS Fast Correcting cream. I've been using it lately and I LOVE this stuff. I too have a big black vehicle (a Caddy). The BOSS Fast Correcting Cream has a long working cycle, virtually no dusting and wipes of easy and clean. Furthermore it IS SMAT abrasive technology! What a game changer! Do some research yourself on the BOSS line-up of correcting creams. I promise, you will never want to go back to the "old school", labor intensive, M105. Not to mention the frustration and confusion trying to navigate the Megs product line!
 
Sonic Pilot said:
The M105 can be tough, tougher than it needs to be to work with. It is NOT SMAT (abrasives that break down during polishing), it has a relatively short working cycle, and if you don't remove it quickly, it becomes a battle to get off. You may want to consider starting with the Megs D300 all over, then, if there are any remaining swirls/scratches, hit them individually with M105, Finish with M205 all over and then wax.
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Not sure where your getting this info from but 105 is most definitely SMAT! It was one of the first SMAT compounds to hit the market and at the time it came out, it was pretty much the benchmark for cut on all other compounds. Time has passed and while 105 is a great option, I feel there are better products to come to market since 105’s release.

Secondly I do not think using 300 and then going over them “individually” is really practical or good advice. Perhaps a refinement in technique or the choice of different products/pad combo would better suited advice.
 
Dr Oldz said:
Not sure where your getting this info from but 105 is most definitely SMAT! It was one of the first SMAT compounds to hit the market and at the time it came out, it was pretty much the benchmark for cut on all other compounds. Time has passed and while 105 is a great option, I feel there are better products to come to market since 105’s release.

Secondly I do not think using 300 and then going over them “individually” is really practical or good advice. Perhaps a refinement in technique or the choice of different products/pad combo would better suited advice.
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My apologies on Megs M105 (and 205 for that matter). You are correct. Megs pioneered the technology. I was thinking of something else.
 
Here is where I got that M105 was non diminishing. This is an excerpt from the article below.


Kevin Brown’s method for applying Meguiar's M105
Ultra Cut Compound
or
M86
So1o
Cut & Polish Cream with a random
-
orbital:
I've found that
M105
Ultra Cut Compound
and
M86
So1o Cut & Polish Cream
deliver best results when used in a similar manner.
Not surp
rising, given that both
liquids utilize non
-
diminishing abrasive technology.
 
Is it possible that you're confusing the two technologies? SMAT is what M105 is and it DOES NOT break down. It is super micro abrasive. It's already broken down. Polishes that break down are diminishing abrasive. Because the statement that you wrote it partially correct. It IS SMAT, but it doesn't break down during polishing.
 
sudsmobile said:
Is it possible that you're confusing the two technologies? SMAT is what M105 is and it DOES NOT break down. It is super micro abrasive. It's already broken down. Polishes that break down are diminishing abrasive. Because the statement that you wrote it partially correct. It IS SMAT, but it doesn't break down during polishing.
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You are correct. I was in fact confusing the technologies, Thanks for setting me straight!
 
Hey I'm not setting anybody straight. I just kind of pieced it together from your post. It actually confused me a little when I read it the first time.
 
sudsmobile said:
Hey I'm not setting anybody straight. I just kind of pieced it together from your post. It actually confused me a little when I read it the first time.
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Yea, I can see how.
I was confused regarding SMAT & DAT technologies though. Not anymore. Thanks again!
 
Sonic Pilot said:
AaronE,

If you want to stay in the Meguiars line-up, their D300 compound is also supposed to be very good, little to no dusting and much more user friendly! Not quite as much cut as M105, but a lot easier to work with.
The M105 can be tough, tougher than it needs to be to work with. It is NOT SMAT (abrasives that break down during polishing), it has a relatively short working cycle, and if you don't remove it quickly, it becomes a battle to get off. You may want to consider starting with the Megs D300 all over, then, if there are any remaining swirls/scratches, hit them individually with M105, Finish with M205 all over and then wax.

Or, try the BOSS Fast Correcting cream. I've been using it lately and I LOVE this stuff. I too have a big black vehicle (a Caddy). The BOSS Fast Correcting Cream has a long working cycle, virtually no dusting and wipes of easy and clean. Furthermore it IS SMAT abrasive technology! What a game changer! Do some research yourself on the BOSS line-up of correcting creams. I promise, you will never want to go back to the "old school", labor intensive, M105. Not to mention the frustration and confusion trying to navigate the Megs product line!
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AaronE,

Please disregard my comments in the first paragraph regarding Megs not being SMAT. They are in fact SMAT. I was confused regarding the SMAT & DAT technologies. I apologize if I caused any confusion.
 
AaronE said:
Is there a guide to Meguiars polishing products available? I didn't see anything online (their naming system for products can be a bit confusing and bounce all over).
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Not particularly.

I would check out the Autogeek store, and familiarize yourself with their lines. There are so many that it can get overwhelming. That is why I usually start peiple off with the Ultimate line first, and from there are M100, D300, M86, and M205 abrasives. I usually don't go outside those for recommendation even though I still use M83, M02, and M09.
 
Sonic Pilot said:
Hello AaronE,

I agree with you regarding the Meguiars product line-up. It is absolutely infuriating to try and navigate through the muddy waters that they have created. They REALLY need to streamline their offerings. It's one of the main reasons I am leaving Meguiars for a different label.

There is a nice "Abrasive Chart" floating around that depicts how different manufacturer's compounds and polishes compare on a common 1 thru 10 abrasive scale. It does include some offerings from Megs. Perhaps someone can post it here.
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I actually found this said chart!
 
dlc95 said:
Not particularly.

I would check out the Autogeek store, and familiarize yourself with their lines. There are so many that it can get overwhelming. That is why I usually start peiple off with the Ultimate line first, and from there are M100, D300, M86, and M205 abrasives. I usually don't go outside those for recommendation even though I still use M83, M02, and M09.
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I'll start there! I found this magical chart and your advice plus being able to visualize (my primary type of learning) really made a difference!
 
So I forgot to post an update about how the project went. First of all thank you all for your advice! It paid off tremendously. The M105/205 combination did a beautiful job of restoring the shine and cutting down the swirls. I did not strive to remove every paint defect being the vehicle is a daily driver but the gloss restoration was phenomenal. The only thing I would go back and change is trading the M105 for M101 because it dusts less than the M105 (it's made for foam pads).

Thanks again for the advice everyone! I'll be using this process again this weekend working on my girlfriends 2009 Ford Fusion.
 
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