Chemical Guys headache

W

wafwat

New member
Joined
Jan 5, 2017
Messages
7
Reaction score
0
I have a Phantom Black Metallic 2015 Chevy SS so I picked up a Chemical Guys Black Car kit because I love the Honeydew Snow Foam and GlossWorkz and Citrus wash products. But I have to say that I’m not impressed with them or I’m doing something wrong hence the reason for this post. So I spend Friday night using Menzerna 3800 to get a few water spots and tiny scratches polished out. Used a DA polisher with a Lake County White polishing pad, came out great. Beautiful black mirror finish. So Saturday morning the next step was Black Light Hybrid that was put on by hand with foam applicator, had a little trouble buffing out but not too bad. Then Sunday night the next step was the Jet Seal, first time using this but was looking forward to it as I’ve heard great things. Applied by hand with foam applicator and buffing out was a little harder than the Black Light. Had to go back over some spots and apply little more pressure to buff out, no biggie. So tonight, Monday, it was time for the Butter wax. Epic fail… I applied by hand just on the hood and when it was time to buff out I had to push so hard I thought I was going to dent the hood. I ended up spraying some Meguiar’s Quick Wax on it to buff it off.

So now can someone please tell me what I’m doing wrong? I really like the wash products but if it’s going to be this hard to seal/wax I’ll have to find something else.

Thanks from a noob!! :cool:

Vince
 
Well, first, you're using a lot of products that can be kind of hard to take off. Second, you're using a lot of products. The BWW, in my experience, is super hard to take off. I have a gallon of it that I'd trade right now for a pack of smokes. Live and learn. FWIW, I still use the Black Light glaze from time to time and I don't find it hard to take off. I will say this, I don't put anything on by hand, but I'd imagine it's hard to get a perfect thin coat on like with a DA. That may be the problem. Too much product.
 
sudsmobile said:
I'd imagine it's hard to get a perfect thin coat on like with a DA. That may be the problem. Too much product.
Click to expand...

unrelated to OP,

I really need to revisit applying certain LSPs with a DA. I’ve done it in the past and I’ve developed sort of mixed feelings on the process.

I know that it would for sure put down a thinner, more uniform coat of LSP, but the last time I went to apply a coat of 845 that way (my second time using the product) I’d swear I wasn’t even spreading product around on my roof. Try as I might I couldn’t even see the film left behind when I used an inspection light. Water behavior told me it was definitely applied, but it was very odd not being able to see where I’d been or where I needed to go.

Do you apply them that thin? Do you keep a smaller applicator around for more intricate areas like front bumpers and under door handles? Or do you just take the pad off your polisher and hit those spots last?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
I mean sometimes you can't see it at all. When in doubt, I'll take the buffer over some glass real quick just to make sure it's still loaded up with product.

I have a polisher with a 6" extension that uses 1", 2" and 3" pads for tight areas.
 
I had the exact same problem as u but with using jet seal , I had to use so much force to buff it off I thought I was going to take off the paint it was unreal. I called chemical guys the next day and the guy said maybe I put to much on as it shouldn’t be that hard to get off, not sure if bww works the same but maybe you did what I did and put to thick of a layer or maybe let it dry on there to long.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
Finick said:
unrelated to OP,

I really need to revisit applying certain LSPs with a DA. I’ve done it in the past and I’ve developed sort of mixed feelings on the process.

I know that it would for sure put down a thinner, more uniform coat of LSP, but the last time I went to apply a coat of 845 that way (my second time using the product) I’d swear I wasn’t even spreading product around on my roof. Try as I might I couldn’t even see the film left behind when I used an inspection light. Water behavior told me it was definitely applied, but it was very odd not being able to see where I’d been or where I needed to go.

Do you apply them that thin? Do you keep a smaller applicator around for more intricate areas like front bumpers and under door handles? Or do you just take the pad off your polisher and hit those spots last?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Click to expand...

^^^This!!! That is why I like to apply by hand. And that is also why I may have too much product. :dunno:

V
 
You want to "see" it. You're using too much product. Jet Seal is not hard to take off at all, so my guess is too much product. Because you're probably putting it on like peanut butter.
 
You have to remember, only a very, very thin layer sticks to the paint. The rest of the heavy layer of product you put on just ends up on the rag.
 
sudsmobile said:
You want to "see" it. You're using too much product. Jet Seal is not hard to take off at all, so my guess is too much product. Because you're probably putting it on like peanut butter.
Click to expand...


I do like me some chunky peanut butter.... ha

You're prob right... Like I said first time using it so it's a learning curve.... Appreciate the info!!! :)

V
 
sudsmobile said:
Well, first, you're using a lot of products that can be kind of hard to take off. Second, you're using a lot of products. The BWW, in my experience, is super hard to take off. I have a gallon of it that I'd trade right now for a pack of smokes. Live and learn. FWIW, I still use the Black Light glaze from time to time and I don't find it hard to take off. I will say this, I don't put anything on by hand, but I'd imagine it's hard to get a perfect thin coat on like with a DA. That may be the problem. Too much product.
Click to expand...

Yeah... Crusin' the Coast is coming up and I wanted to do a in depth detail job, but more is not necessarily better.... :)

V
 
Not knocking the CG line, but consider switching sealant to McKees HiDef.....easiest removal of any sealant I have ever used
 
Just a suggestion, but you probably should do an IPA wipedown after the Menz 3800 to remove any leftover polishing oils. You want the paint as clean as possible before laying down the next product.
 
briarpatch said:
Not knocking the CG line, but consider switching sealant to McKees HiDef.....easiest removal of any sealant I have ever used
Click to expand...

I've read that too about McKees. I'm open to suggestions. I only got the CG stuff as it was in a "kit" for black cars. And I do like the wash products but so far not doing it for me for these products. The car is a garage queen and avoid driving it in the rain but it is black and you could sneeze after washing it and it would get "dirty". ha... But man when it's clean, it looks awesome... I guess it boils down to how much work you want to put into it. I'm looking for good results with as few steps as possible.

thanks!!!

V
 
CG soaps are arguably the best part of their product line...big fan of Honeydew Snow Foam myself
 
Ah, the super rare 90 minute between double posts. It's like seeing a unicorn.
 
I would say thinner coats as well,,if you are not confident you got the coverage you wanted do a 2nd,,probably won't take much longer than getting rubber arm from it being to thick


I had a guy working for me that put every wax on like peanut butter,,we have a wax thats a butter wax of some sort and if you put on a thin layer you can almost blow it off.

He put it on so thick you had to use a chisel to get it off and then he'd gripe the whole time.

I told him if he put on a thin layer he wouldn't have that problem and he went off on me,whatta jerk.
 
You want the least amount of steps possible and then decided to use the CG "system" of 3 steps after polishing? ugh. I got tired just reading about all your steps.

Polish with your 3800, then use a wax, sealant, or coating. No need for 3 different layers of crap for LSP. Opti-seal, Meguiars yellow wax, or FK1000, maybe even Collonite. ONE of those not all.
 
dcjredline said:
You want the least amount of steps possible and then decided to use the CG "system" of 3 steps after polishing? ugh. I got tired just reading about all your steps.

Polish with your 3800, then use a wax, sealant, or coating. No need for 3 different layers of crap for LSP. Opti-seal, Meguiars yellow wax, or FK1000, maybe even Collonite. ONE of those not all.
Click to expand...


Yeah, I prob went a little overboard. But I did learn something.... That was way to much work and the results are negligible. Well except for the Mez3800, that shinned it up real nice. ha.. :)

I've wondered about Collonite. Will prob give it try.

But glad you made it thought my book i posted and appreciate the info!!!

V
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top