What did you do today, in regards to detailing?

Big Dave said:
Imagine the sadness you could be setting them up for when you introduce them to swirls, and show them what a vehicle without swirls looks like. I like the look people get on their faces when you explain the difference between washing and detailing.

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My scan grip light is fully charged and ready to point out each and every swirl. The more I think about it the more I want to pass, if they even agree to my price. These are the type of customers that are more trouble than they are worth. I’m sure they’re convinced that they can talk me down off my price but I’m looking forward to a fun, fruitful conversation.
 
Optimus Grime said:
My scan grip light is fully charged and ready to point out each and every swirl. The more I think about it the more I want to pass, if they even agree to my price. These are the type of customers that are more trouble than they are worth. I’m sure they’re convinced that they can talk me down off my price but I’m looking forward to a fun, fruitful conversation.
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Seems like the kind of people who would never be satisfied, no matter what you do

Pick your work to pieces and try to knock the agreed upon price down


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chilly said:
Seems like the kind of people who would never be satisfied, no matter what you do

Pick your work to pieces and try to knock the agreed upon price down


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There’s one common thread with all of the hagglers. It makes me sound racist but my area has become about 90% Indian and everyone I know that does some type of work in the service industry has dealt with the same issue; constant price haggling or flat out refusal to pay the agreed price upon completion of the work. These days I tend to quote a price so astronomical they end the call or give them another detailer’s number who is more in line with their prices.
 
Optimus Grime said:
There’s one common thread with all of the hagglers. It makes me sound racist but my area has become about 90% Indian and everyone I know that does some type of work in the service industry has dealt with the same issue; constant price haggling or flat out refusal to pay the agreed price upon completion of the work. These days I tend to quote a price so astronomical they end the call or give them another detailer’s number who is more in line with their prices.
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Very much the culture in India. You need anything in India at any hour and there's a person for that. You call them up, start at a price and usually end at about 50% of the first price. Pretty much the only places in India you don't negotiate are the western chain companies. Had my first experience there last November and it was an eye opener.

In my industry, some Indian companies even set compensation almost completely to how well they negotiate their supplier prices. Those same employees move to global companies and that mindset comes with them. Everything is a negotiation - pretty opposite to most of the US.

I don't think you sound racist at all - it's a reality.

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Uncbrs said:
Very much the culture in India. You need anything in India at any hour and there's a person for that. You call them up, start at a price and usually end at about 50% of the first price. Pretty much the only places in India you don't negotiate are the western chain companies. Had my first experience there last November and it was an eye opener.

In my industry, some Indian companies even set compensation almost completely to how well they negotiate their supplier prices. Those same employees move to global companies and that mindset comes with them. Everything is a negotiation - pretty opposite to most of the US.

I don't think you sound racist at all - it's a reality.

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Haggling in the smaller shops and markets along the border in downtown El Paso Texas was the norm, but when they put in K Mart and the folks tried it there the results were comical

Like you said, just all part of the culture

Funny story; we would cross the border at Zaragoza and go to the newer Mexican super markets simply because it was cheaper and made for a nice outing

My mom or dad would give me and my sister a couple of nickels to get a soda or two from the vending machines

One time I got a funny tasting soda and told my dad

He took one look, asked where the machine was, and spent the rest of that shopping trip standing by the ten cent beer vending machine

When we would go to the old Central Mercado in Juarez it was still an open air plaza full of stalls selling everything from the entire country of Mexico and most of Central American

I remember the meat market where you could buy monkey, iguana, turtle, shark, etc and it was all just hanging there

This was the mid 60s


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Uncbrs said:
I don't think you sound racist at all - it's a reality.

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Glad to hear that others have experienced this. That’s why I’ve redone my offerings to cater to clients that want a higher level of service and are willing to pay.
 
The Qashqai came back from a major service today, no worries about them washing it, they don't do that. But I did have to get the Ech2o QD out to remove a whole bunch of finger prints from the hood and doors. I'll save cleaning the windshield till after dinner, at least it proves they did test the squirters. The suction ring mark is on the inside, I occasionally use a phone mount there, the Qashqai's interior has no good places to put a permanent phone mount.
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Optimus Grime said:
My scan grip light is fully charged and ready to point out each and every swirl. The more I think about it the more I want to pass, if they even agree to my price. These are the type of customers that are more trouble than they are worth. I’m sure they’re convinced that they can talk me down off my price but I’m looking forward to a fun, fruitful conversation.
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Geez, I was about to say, "I bet you're not looking forward to that". I hate time wasters, don't have the patience to play games, the price is the price, take it or leave it.

Optimus Grime said:
There’s one common thread with all of the hagglers. It makes me sound racist but my area has become about 90% Indian and everyone I know that does some type of work in the service industry has dealt with the same issue; constant price haggling or flat out refusal to pay the agreed price upon completion of the work. These days I tend to quote a price so astronomical they end the call or give them another detailer’s number who is more in line with their prices.
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Optimus Grime;1793309[B said:
]Glad to hear that others have experienced this.[/B] That’s why I’ve redone my offerings to cater to clients that want a higher level of service and are willing to pay.
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I work in retail, trust me, it's extremely common.

I find that I get bailed up and asked 100's of questions over the course of 20 minutes, they then thank me for my time and don't buy anything...............more than likely heading to the discount chain store to buy what I suggested with my hard-earned horticultural knowledge. I call it "data mining". It's something that gets me very agitated, but the boss tells me its just their culture. Personally, I thinks its rude to waste someone's time with no intention of buying something at the end.

As you say, its hard to voice for fear of being labeled intolerant or racist.
 
Uncbrs said:
Very much the culture in India. You need anything in India at any hour and there's a person for that. You call them up, start at a price and usually end at about 50% of the first price. Pretty much the only places in India you don't negotiate are the western chain companies. Had my first experience there last November and it was an eye opener.

In my industry, some Indian companies even set compensation almost completely to how well they negotiate their supplier prices. Those same employees move to global companies and that mindset comes with them. Everything is a negotiation - pretty opposite to most of the US.

I don't think you sound racist at all - it's a reality.

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On another note @Uncbrs cannot send you PM as your mailbox is full!


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I am been watching a lot of detailing videos. It would be nice when all these reviewers do a video on several flavor of the month products always use some standard (like something from Meguiars detailing line) as a control product. For example, I have used Meg's D120 for years (got a lot) so compare glass cleaners to that. These forumulas do not seem to change much unlike many of the OTC products.
 
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I wonder how this spammer got an account to post when the registration process is broke.
 
Uncbrs said:
Very much the culture in India. You need anything in India at any hour and there's a person for that. You call them up, start at a price and usually end at about 50% of the first price. Pretty much the only places in India you don't negotiate are the western chain companies. Had my first experience there last November and it was an eye opener.

In my industry, some Indian companies even set compensation almost completely to how well they negotiate their supplier prices. Those same employees move to global companies and that mindset comes with them. Everything is a negotiation - pretty opposite to most of the US.

I don't think you sound racist at all - it's a reality.

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Having worked with many Indians over my 32 years at my first job, I would 100% agree that haggling is actually a national pastime in India. I always remember my manager saying he dreaded annual appraisal time. The process was that we did self appraisals, that we would send to our manager, and then have a meeting and discuss said appraisal. I'd be very honest with mine, list what I thought my strengths and weaknesses were, in the meeting he'd change some, mark a couple up, mark a couple down, it would even out to the same score. But the Indians would mark themselves as excellent at everything, and the haggle in the meeting to keep every rating excellent, his meetings with them would take over two hours each, and was like pulling teeth. Our meetings lasted maybe an hour, and half of that was just talking about cars and stuff.

One time, as a strength, I put that I could lift heavy things, which was true, but not what they wanted, and my boss thought it was funny, so he left it in. Nothing was ever said, but it proved to us that no one in HR was actually reading them.

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opie said:
Snagged these off a buddys dad a while ago. He got rid of the car that these went on in the summers. Came off a cadillac DTS. Never seen winter. I found some factory used buick center caps and swapped out the cadillac ones. I cleaned them up finally and coated them with some left over ADS quartz i had in the fridge.

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How old was that car? Those are "high polish clear", polished with clearcoat over the top? It's nice that the barrels are painted, a lot of those GM wheels, at least in the old days, the barrels were not painted which quickly turned into a black un-maintainable mess that you could clearly see through the spokes.
 
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