rlmccarty2000
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Hard to beat BSD for durability. I mix it 50/50 with V07 to thin it out some.
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Klasse Act
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So is this a QD or a spray wax? I've probably seen this around but didn't know it had the beading rep it does
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So is this a QD or a spray wax? I've probably seen this around but didn't know it had the beading rep it does
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It is a QD. It’s a basically a QD with the same properties of Sonax PNS. Just search YouTube is you want to know how good the beading is. Great stuff. Waxmode/Loach has a good review of it. Not the easiest to apply do to the fact that it is tacky like Sonax PNS but the end result of beading and self cleaning is better than any QD on the market IMO.
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To further this discussion in true Rippy D fashion I’m going to do a comparison of my favorite 3 QD’s. P&S Beadmaker, Sonax Brilliant Shine Detailer, and Duragloss 931 diluted at QD strength. I washed both cars today since it was 58 degrees here in NC. On the Volvo hood I have BSD matched against BM. And on the wife’s van I have BM matched with DG931 QD.
Volvo hood BSD passenger side vs. BM Drivers side.
Van hood has DG 931 in the passenger side and BM on the driver side.
It’s a little overcast so not the best pics. Gloss of BM maybe slightly better vs BSD but it’s negligible. Slickness is obviously night and day vs BM and BSD. But I am testing this to show the self cleaning differences between the two. Again my theory for next year is to start with BM in the spring through fall and apply BSD for the winter for its self cleaning attributes since I wash much more infrequent during the winter. The Volvo is an outside 24/7 DD.
In regards to the Van, the test is to possibly give people another option to BM. BM is only slightly slicker than DG931 to the touch. Because DG 931 has DG 951 Aquawax in it which was the old Gold standard of a slick QD. You may be trying to comprehend how a Rinseless wash could provide beading protection for any length of time. Rippy D’s sealant comparison thread led me to try 931 as a QD. Currently he applied DG 931 on 9/6/18 and it is still beading water on 12/16/18. So 3+ months of beading. The significance is the cost difference. DG 931 is $.06/ net oz and BM is $.26/ net oz. I did a quick side by side previously and the beading difference was negligible between BM and DG931. And I didn’t take pics. So I thought I would do a test to show the differences over a month or so. BM is certainly not expensive by any means. Sonax BSD is $.67/ net oz. But I thought I would show a comparison that might help some of the professionals out there looking for a final wipe down product. If DG 931 can hold up well for the price it may be a unique option for some who want a good cost effective option. I like 931 for my wife’s van because of all the surface area on it.
I will try to follow up weekly with result and pics.
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Volvo hood BSD passenger side vs. BM Drivers side.
Van hood has DG 931 in the passenger side and BM on the driver side.
It’s a little overcast so not the best pics. Gloss of BM maybe slightly better vs BSD but it’s negligible. Slickness is obviously night and day vs BM and BSD. But I am testing this to show the self cleaning differences between the two. Again my theory for next year is to start with BM in the spring through fall and apply BSD for the winter for its self cleaning attributes since I wash much more infrequent during the winter. The Volvo is an outside 24/7 DD.
In regards to the Van, the test is to possibly give people another option to BM. BM is only slightly slicker than DG931 to the touch. Because DG 931 has DG 951 Aquawax in it which was the old Gold standard of a slick QD. You may be trying to comprehend how a Rinseless wash could provide beading protection for any length of time. Rippy D’s sealant comparison thread led me to try 931 as a QD. Currently he applied DG 931 on 9/6/18 and it is still beading water on 12/16/18. So 3+ months of beading. The significance is the cost difference. DG 931 is $.06/ net oz and BM is $.26/ net oz. I did a quick side by side previously and the beading difference was negligible between BM and DG931. And I didn’t take pics. So I thought I would do a test to show the differences over a month or so. BM is certainly not expensive by any means. Sonax BSD is $.67/ net oz. But I thought I would show a comparison that might help some of the professionals out there looking for a final wipe down product. If DG 931 can hold up well for the price it may be a unique option for some who want a good cost effective option. I like 931 for my wife’s van because of all the surface area on it.
I will try to follow up weekly with result and pics.
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Sonax wheel shield is also tacky, at first, must be their thing! Thanks for the info, I'm going to be getting some...like I need more stuff
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BDS is a little thick, that’s why I mix V07 with it. Probably could use Beadmaker instead of V07 for a super QD.
I did try a 50/50 of BSD and BM. It took very little characteristics of the BSD. It was like using straight BM for some reason. Maybe another dilution ratio may work better but I’m out of hood space right now. Lol. After this test maybe I will do some more experimenting. I have used BSD with Griot’s best in show detailer 50/50 and it worked really well.
Klasse.... you won’t be sorry. AG had it BOGO a month or so ago. Picked up 4 bottles since I like it so much. Application can be tricky. Be sure to spray the towel also to help it glide over paint. It is tacky.
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When you apply BSD I like to do as you are recommended to apply the BM the second time. 1-2 sprays per panel and 2-3 sprays per larger panels. I spray BSD only into the mf towel and wipe it in on the paint. This way the tacky feeling is not a problem for me. If I use it as a drying aid or don't get the panel completly dry. I have put the BSD in a flairosol bottle which gives you a very fine mist and a more even distribution of the BSD. Or put it in a spray bottle that you can adjust the sprayer head with and set it to fine mist it out. A little of BSD goes a long way. I also use a high plush mf towel to do the buff with. As I feel I get a less tacky feeling after this. And you can also dilute it with destilled water or something like V07 or any other water based QD/spray wax. I like the crazy water behavior on it's own that BSD gives you. If you use it every 2-4 wash you will have a coating like LSP always. And even more aggressive water behavior and self cleaning ability than some coatings. So if you accept it's not the slickest or the easiest way to apply it. The Sonax Brilliant Shine Detailer is hard to beat for a simple QD.
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Wow, a lot of guys like BSD. I threw mine in the trash after a couple of applications..did not like how tacky it felt during and after removal. Does offer tight beading, but I like to feel slick paint.
It is odd. I seem to have about the same results as Rippy D’s sealant comparison thread. I only get about a month out of 951 Aquawax alone. But 931 as a QD seems to last much longer which is why I am testing it against Bead maker.
I did a slickness comparison on the van hood yesterday with just my fingers. It’s only been a couple days but BM is only slightly slicker than 931. Both have about the same amount a dust attached to them but it’s really too early to make more of a comparison than that. I will continue to post results of the 2 cars.
As a footnote one of the best tools ever created when evaluating LSP’s is Rippy D’s google doc page. It’s gives everything you need to know about a sealant under all the tabs. I have it bookmarked and check it quite often to follow along with his test.
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Quick update after one week of Sonax BSD vs P&S Beadmaker. It’s been raining hard the last 2 days. I will have to say that both products performed well. There were obvious differences. Driving home it seemed that Sonax BSD would start running up the hood at about 30 mph where it took BM up to 40 mph. It also seems as though Sonax BSD has better self cleaning than P&S BM. Here is a pick after one of the rain showers. As you can see the passenger side the has BSD is much drier that the BM side.
Here is also a vid on the beading. This after one week and no washing. The car has normal contaminants of daily driving.
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I will have to say that the beading of the BM isn’t that bad. I wasn’t that impressed with the beading when I put it on in Sept. for a product called BEAD Maker. But side by side with PNS it’s not all that bad. It’s just that nothing compares to Sonax BSD in the beading self cleaning department. It is the king in that regard. However, you do sacrifice any slickness that your paint has.
So far I am liking my theory for next year of BM spring- fall and the BSD for winter.
I will continue to update.
Here is also a vid on the beading. This after one week and no washing. The car has normal contaminants of daily driving.
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I will have to say that the beading of the BM isn’t that bad. I wasn’t that impressed with the beading when I put it on in Sept. for a product called BEAD Maker. But side by side with PNS it’s not all that bad. It’s just that nothing compares to Sonax BSD in the beading self cleaning department. It is the king in that regard. However, you do sacrifice any slickness that your paint has.
So far I am liking my theory for next year of BM spring- fall and the BSD for winter.
I will continue to update.
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Thanks for posting the comparison. I have both and will try the same on one of cars. Of the little I've used of both so far, the Bead Maker is more enjoyable to apply and I love the sickness.
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This is bead maker put on about a week ago and after 2 inches of rain yesterday.
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dlc95
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Agreed. BM is so fun to apply. Smell is addictive.
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Would be intresting to see when BM is applyied over something like BSD too. Since it's claims to take on the base coat water behavior if I have understand it correctly. Or is it just that it bonds to coatings and sealants and waxes? Or apply BM on a half of a hood that has a ceramic coating. To compare the water behavior and self cleaning ability between the 2 sides.
Ochnob thanks for shareing your testing! Always interesting to see the difference between LSPs water behavior and self cleaning ability when they are put on 50/50 on a hood.
/ Tony
Ochnob thanks for shareing your testing! Always interesting to see the difference between LSPs water behavior and self cleaning ability when they are put on 50/50 on a hood.
/ Tony
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In my short time of using Beadmaker I've noticed it doesn't really offer up any self cleaning ability at all. That said, when I go to wash the car, it cleans up VERY easily though!
Right now I'm going to say Beadmaker does offer protection, no doubt about it, but it's real trump card is gloss and clarity, just makes the paint look incredible!
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Right now I'm going to say Beadmaker does offer protection, no doubt about it, but it's real trump card is gloss and clarity, just makes the paint look incredible!
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