Bead Maker?

[Eldorado2k]

In my short time of using Beadmaker I've noticed it doesn't really offer up any self cleaning ability at all. That said, when I go to wash the car, it cleans up VERY easily though!

Right now I'm going to say Beadmaker does offer protection, no doubt about it, but it's real trump card is gloss and clarity, just makes the paint look incredible!

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How does Ech2o/Reload mix compare looks wise?

 

[KBsToy]

Would be intresting to see when BM is applyied over something like BSD too. Since it's claims to take on the base coat water behavior if I have understand it correctly. Or is it just that it bonds to coatings and sealants and waxes? Or apply BM on a half of a hood that has a ceramic coating. To compare the water behavior and self cleaning ability between the 2 sides.

Ochnob thanks for shareing your testing! Always interesting to see the difference between LSPs water behavior and self cleaning ability when they are put on 50/50 on a hood.

/ Tony

Here in the Burgh area with upcoming winter and salt I want self cleaning and durability so maybe I will give BSD a try on wife's car since its the DD. XT5 has numerous coats of BM and is shining sitting in garage

 

[Klasse Act]

How does Ech2o/Reload mix compare looks wise?

I have never used that combo as I don't have Reload...yet but that new Elixr sounds like they made their own "homebrew". Just goes to show you that some of these mfgs are watching what the enthusiast market is actually doing with these products. I'm going to end up with the Elixr in the next couple weeks, might wait till Gyeon comes out with their tire cleaner and Tire Express and put in a slightly larger order.

Do you use the Ech2o/Reload combo Eldo? If so, maybe order up a bottle of Beadmaker and see how you like it

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[Ochnob]

SWETM- I do not believe that BM takes on the water behavior of the underlying product in my use. Like any LSP it has its own fairly decent water behavior.

Klasse- I agree with you that BM doesn’t seem to have the best self cleaning ability on its own. That oaks why I am testing the BSD over top for the winter to get that self cleaning characteristics that Sonax BSD is famous for. Just doing a finger test on the BSD/BM 50/50 hood it does seem that BM does have more contaminants on that side after 2 days driving in heavy rain. I will say that BM while it doesn’t have great self cleaning ability it does clean up very well with just a snow foam and a rinse. While it does have contaminants on the surface it does do a great job of not letting them embed do to its hardening ability.

Ps- Klasse check your PM.


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[Eldorado2k]

I have never used that combo as I don't have Reload...yet but that new Elixr sounds like they made their own "homebrew". Just goes to show you that some of these mfgs are watching what the enthusiast market is actually doing with these products. I'm going to end up with the Elixr in the next couple weeks, might wait till Gyeon comes out with their tire cleaner and Tire Express and put in a slightly larger order.

Do you use the Ech2o/Reload combo Eldo? If so, maybe order up a bottle of Beadmaker and see how you like it

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If I’m not mistaken, that particular “manufacturer” would be Corey, who was once on this side of playing field, so it’s not that big of a surprise for him to know what the enthusiasts had been up to..

As far as the Ech2o/Reload mix, yea I’ve got some, but it’s few and far between that I get around to using it because I won’t use it on any of my personal vehicles. It may look good in the short term, but it wreaks havoc on a base layer of sealant and transforms the good protection into its own inferior level of protection which consists of short term beading and virtually no protection against contaminants bonding to the paint. If I used it on my cars I’d probably have to clay them 4 times per year. No thanks. Lol.

This is 3oz. of each, ready to go in a 32oz. bottle w/distilled water. They’ve been sitting for a while.

That’s why I tell you I’m not in a rush to get Bead Maker. I’ve been thinking about getting Bead Maker for over a year, but haven’t pulled the trigger because I already like my current system and rarely use those sort of products even on customers vehicles.

 

[Klasse Act]

After the "short term" benefit of Ech2o/Reload wouldn't your sealant then kick in and give you the benefits your accustom to?

Self cleaning abilities are what coatings REALLY accel in, surprised your still using sealants, just sayin', atleast on your personal ride.

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[Eldorado2k]

After the "short term" benefit of Ech2o/Reload wouldn't your sealant then kick in and give you the benefits your accustom to?

No, because you have to remember that generally speaking, “toppers” are a myth.
Now Ech2o might work in synergy with Carpro coatings, and that’s fine and dandy for the people who enjoy using them both as a pair together... But in general, a “topper” won’t just peacefully sit on top of a base layer of protection and neatly excuse itself once it’s short stay is up... It will instead transform whatever previous layer of protection that was on the paint into 1 distinct layer of protection, which is why you lose characteristics. Whatever previous protection/characteristics don’t suddenly return when you’re applying products that contain solvents because those solvents are capable of removing products. Think about it.

[Note: this may not apply with these products when used in synergy with coatings. I’m talking about sealants.]

When have you ever seen protection fade away, only to reveal superior fierce beading underneath it? Never have. No ones ever spoken about it and sure as heck never shown any pictures of such phenomenon.

Also think about the fact that the manufacturers weren’t the ones who invented the term “topper”, the enthusiasts invented that term and idea. It wasn’t until just recently that the manufacturers started to cater to the customer base who have a great thirst for needing to “top” everything, so if they want then why not sell them some.

 

[Klasse Act]

Your post is well said, especially about what mfgs have done as far as catering to us, well not you so much but you know what I mean. I laid down 2x's TAC system Power Plus Sio2 based coating on my car back on June 2nd. Then about 6 weeks later I applied a coat of their Moonlight and maybe 3 weeks later their 1 step Master. Since that it's been toppers, spray on, hose off products, etc. This coming year I don't see myself doing anything but toppers and spray on, hose off products, I have so many products to use and its oh so easy, LOL. One of these products is the soon to be released Touchless Sealant from 303. I feel that my base coating will hold up just fine, it's only 6 monthes old right now.

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[Eldorado2k]

9/10 products that people refer to or use as toppers were manufactured to be stand alone products. I like to think of Ultimate Quik Wax as the father of all toppers. It was about that time when using similar products as toppers started becoming widespread.

But if you look at the label of Ultimate Quik Wax it makes no reference to it being a topper or in conjunction with another product. It reads as a faster more user friendly way to “wax” your vehicle. It’s a stand alone product the same way Meguiars Fast Finish is.

 

[Eldorado2k]

It is fun to be able to use so many neat products in 2018. It’s almost impossible to resist. Lol.
There’s no wrong way as long as it works for the person using it.

 

[Bruno Soares]

This is my concern applying this over a coating. If it doesn’t have good self cleaning abilities I’m afraid it will diminish the amazing self cleaning abilities I currently see on my car coated with Gyeon Syncro. I doubt it will get slicker than Skin. Only thing I could see improved is gloss but if it makes the rest worse, I’m afraid this isn’t the ideal topper. Maybe when the coating ages and starts to lose its properties. Right now it’s 2 months old and water behavior is insane.

 

[rlmccarty2000]

No, because you have to remember that generally speaking, “toppers” are a myth.
Now Ech2o might work in synergy with Carpro coatings, and that’s fine and dandy for the people who enjoy using them both as a pair together... But in general, a “topper” won’t just peacefully sit on top of a base layer of protection and neatly excuse itself once it’s short stay is up... It will instead transform whatever previous layer of protection that was on the paint into 1 distinct layer of protection, which is why you lose characteristics. Whatever previous protection/characteristics don’t suddenly return when you’re applying products that contain solvents because those solvents are capable of removing products. Think about it.

[Note: this may not apply with these products when used in synergy with coatings. I’m talking about sealants.]

When have you ever seen protection fade away, only to reveal superior fierce beading underneath it? Never have. No ones ever spoken about it and sure as heck never shown any pictures of such phenomenon.

Also think about the fact that the manufacturers weren’t the ones who invented the term “topper”, the enthusiasts invented that term and idea. It wasn’t until just recently that the manufacturers started to cater to the customer base who have a great thirst for needing to “top” everything, so if they want then why not sell them some.

Many of these toppers were invented by manufacturers to fight water spots that plague coatings. Others were developed as stand alone sealants that we decided would work on top of our coatings. The term “booster” was made up by manufacturers to make us believe coatings need boosting. I’m not sure but I think PBL Coating Booster was the first of these. Truthfully most of these “boosters” or “toppers” are just weak sealants or tarted up QDs. Has anyone ever said why they put SiO2 in a topper? In a coating it contributes to hardness, but in a topper with 5% or less SiO2 what does it really do? Questions, always ask questions.

I’ve really never had anyone explain what happens to a coating with age. If left untouched does a coating last forever? Or does oxygen degrade a coating over time? Most consumer coatings say “up to two years” longetivity as a standard but they never say why two years is a magic number. Why not say “with proper care a coating will last the life of your car”? Of course then they would have to specify what “proper care” is.

 

[camaro2ssblack]

Used it for the first time today as a topping over Hydro Blue. It definitely adds a ton of slickness, a good amount of gloss and the smell is amazing. Worked great as a drying aid and then I followed up with a light mist and a final wipe down to get that perfect streak free finish. Definitely like it so far.

 

[Ochnob]

This is my concern applying this over a coating. If it doesn’t have good self cleaning abilities I’m afraid it will diminish the amazing self cleaning abilities I currently see on my car coated with Gyeon Syncro. I doubt it will get slicker than Skin. Only thing I could see improved is gloss but if it makes the rest worse, I’m afraid this isn’t the ideal topper. Maybe when the coating ages and starts to lose its properties. Right now it’s 2 months old and water behavior is insane.

I absolutely agree. If you are going to spend good money and time putting a quality ceramic coating on your car I just don’t see the need/reason to put anything on top that would alter its characteristics. Me on the other hand truly enjoy quashing and then slathering something on my car. It’s just therapeutic for me. It’s for that reason I have a couple go to final wipe down lsp’s. (Sonax BSD, BM, DG931). Since I love using those, my underlying lsp is just there to help keep contaminants away from paint and add to the look. Using FK1000p, DG 111 or 105, Collinite 845, or WGDGS makes sense for me to add an additional topper. I would not do it if I had a quality coating IMO.


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[Ochnob]

Here are the results after one week. As a refresher, I am testing a 50/50 hood with Sonax BSD layered on top of BM that has been being applied since September and straight BM. My theory behind this is that I will use BM Spring-fall and then top with BSD for the winter due to my less frequent washings.
After one week the BSD is performing like I would expect it to in the beading/ self cleaning dept. BM is starting to degrade a bit on its beading. The rest of the car is also topped with BSD and it cleaned up really well with just a snow foam and a rinse.

Here are the results. BSD passenger side / BM drivers side.

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[TTQ B4U]

This is my concern applying this over a coating. If it doesn’t have good self cleaning abilities I’m afraid it will diminish the amazing self cleaning abilities I currently see on my car coated with Gyeon Syncro. I doubt it will get slicker than Skin. Only thing I could see improved is gloss but if it makes the rest worse, I’m afraid this isn’t the ideal topper. Maybe when the coating ages and starts to lose its properties. Right now it’s 2 months old and water behavior is insane.

I have a brand new bottle of BM sitting here and like you struggle not to use it on a coated car. My Red Sport has a layer of Pure topped with Skin and has an insane level of hydrophobic property thus I'm not likely going to risk it all. I am going to clean her up today and do the driver side of the hood with BM just to see as I can always redo the hood if needed. I enjoy testing out new stuff too. My only other thought would be will BM and it's impact even work on the coating. In other words will it bond.

I'll likely use BM over top of something like a one-step such as HDSpeed, etc. prior to delivery just to amp up the slickness, gloss and potential protection of the vehicle. I may break down and do my elderly neighbors Toyota just after the holidays.

 

[07rs]

Just used Bead Maker for the first time, the paint is super slick, and amazing gloss. Waiting to see how it holds up.


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[JDGolden]

I plan to try it in spring. What is the amazing smell everyone is talking about? Is it better than NXT scent? That’s my all time favorite.

 

[Klasse Act]

I plan to try it in spring. What is the amazing smell everyone is talking about? Is it better than NXT scent? That’s my all time favorite.

NXT, the old product from Meg's? It smells good, like fresh laundry detergent but Beadmaker has a mango smell but it's not overpowering.

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[JDGolden]

Thanks. Yeah, Meguiar's NXT line has my favorite scent. Wish it came in an air freshener.