Meguiar's Hybrid Ceramic Wax

DMiglio said:
Has anybody tried any of the other spray on rinse off sealants as a drying aid like Megs HCW has you apply for the first time? I know there’s a forum member who makes a Merlin Elixer with 2oz of Hydro2 added into the mixture and uses as a drying aid or detail spray. I prefer to use drying aids on the paint and these rinse off sealants on the wheels where I feel personally they really excel.

I only ask since there seems to be some speculation as to the silica content in here while the competition seems to be pretty well documented on it contents as far as I’m aware. I think I’ll try this with my Hydro Blue and WetCoat once the weather gets better here in Illinois. I can’t wait for a string of snow free 40+ degree days to get here!
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I add 2oz ech2o, 2oz reload, 2oz HydrO2 and 26oz water. It works great as a detail spray so far. Haven’t been able to use as drying aid as its tool cold right now to 2bm the vehicle. I will find out soon though how it does.


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You know I really don't care about this I'm more entertained but I really doubt meguiars has any wrong doing here...this is a brand everyone has loved at on point or another and more then likely still using today I know my cabinet is full of the detailer line

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while I am not 100% happy with the results I'm getting after having these on the car for s short term but this is just me. I think I was caught up in the hype of them all.

I will say that my new drying aid will be either CMX or HCW, so far HCW seems like the perfect replacement for xpress wax and if it is offered in a gallon in the detailer line then just that alone will win me over. CMX I do feel preforms slightly better but neither are a replacement for something like PNS. I would still use PNS and still might use it as my drying aid but its just a whole lot more on my wallet
 
minerigger said:
I add 2oz ech2o, 2oz reload, 2oz HydrO2 and 26oz water. It works great as a detail spray so far. Haven’t been able to use as drying aid as its tool cold right now to 2bm the vehicle. I will find out soon though how it does.


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Minerigger, you’re the member I was thinking about and I’m glad you responded. I think you showed pictures on your wife’s Armada that was a deep silver color, it looked great in the garage pics. When the weather turns for the better you gotta get some shots of it in sunlight! I’ve used the Merlin Elixer a handful of times and love it, the fact you tried HyrdO2 in the mixture is genius and something I will definitely be trying when our weather gets better here in Illinois.
 
Wait till it gets polished and isn’t dull and lifeless. I plan on getting it all done up this spring along with my 2 trucks


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Cruzscarwash said:
while I am not 100% happy with the results I'm getting after having these on the car for s short term but this is just me. I think I was caught up in the hype of them all.

I will say that my new drying aid will be either CMX or HCW, so far HCW seems like the perfect replacement for xpress wax and if it is offered in a gallon in the detailer line then just that alone will win me over. CMX I do feel preforms slightly better but neither are a replacement for something like PNS. I would still use PNS and still might use it as my drying aid but its just a whole lot more on my wallet
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Quick question here, have you used CMX on wet paint already and if so, how did it do?
 
Klasse Act said:
Quick question here, have you used CMX on wet paint already and if so, how did it do?
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Yes I've only used it as a drying aid so far and it works fine just not as easy as HCW

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DETAILROOKIE said:
Omg dude! Are you serious!?! Are you seriously angry that this person is asking where he can find a product and it is not on AG? Wow bro! There are bigger fish to fry than reporting everything to the AG police!

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AG does have this product. I have not reported everything, or anything to the ag police. I do think we should respect this as the ag forum, sponsored by ag, and try to support them when we can.

Why would I be angry? It takes a lot to make me so, but thanks for bringing this to my attention.

Bill
 
Anyone else the filling this product does? I just did a family members car that had rather heavy swirls from washing and the HCW seemed to fill them pretty good. I think it's more very to Adams H20 Guard and Gloss (newest version)
 
If you look closely to the UK SDS sheet of HCW. You see after the name of it that it stands (experimental). So I think it's a version of the HCW when they where developing the product and tested it out. This is just what I think and can absolutely have wrong. But I think that the final HCW can be useing a blend of the Sio2 as Reload does. And if they make this blend with the parts of Sio2 strings less than need to be put in the sds sheet. They could have a loop hole to not need to be put in the sds sheet. Even if the total amount of the Sio2 would be enough to be in it. And spray on rinse off coating products can not have pure Sio2 in it. But there is a 2 part or more that reacts when it comes in contact with paint and the air starts the chemical reaction that makes it a kind of Sio2 on the paint. This is often used in full blown ceramic coatings too. So just going with the pure Sio2 content in a product is not always a sign of the actually Sio2 you get on the paint. And that's another discussion on how much of the Sio2 really is bonding to the paint when applyied. What if it's so that if you use a 5% Sio2 product and a 10% Sio2 product does not matter that much when applyied. Cause how would you know how much Sio2 is bonding? It can be a difference that has a minimal effect in the longrun. If you think that the higher concentration of sio2 is important. I know of a couple of products here on AGO that sweep the floor with most sprayes if take the Sio2 and Tio2 content in the mix of what you want. I leave this as a cliffhanger LOL
 
I doubt it. Reload has a ton of toxic products in it. The MSDS tells you not to breathe the fumes, not to get it in your eyes, not to get it on your skin and so on. That is what Matt was talking about when he said that Meg's Ceramic Wax had none of those characteristics. I am guessing what he meant is that the solvents needed to have SiO2 in suspension were not present.

Also, as far as I know, SiO2 reacts to water, that is why you can't have water on the car for several hours after you install a coating. But they ask you to get the car wet to apply it which makes no sense. It does make sense if they are using that product that binds to wet panels, can't recall the name but it the main ingredient in products like Hydro2 and car wash spray waxes. And that stuff is not Sillicon anything.
 
Calendyr said:
I doubt it. Reload has a ton of toxic products in it. The MSDS tells you not to breathe the fumes, not to get it in your eyes, not to get it on your skin and so on. That is what Matt was talking about when he said that Meg's Ceramic Wax had none of those characteristics. I am guessing what he meant is that the solvents needed to have SiO2 in suspension were not present.

Also, as far as I know, SiO2 reacts to water, that is why you can't have water on the car for several hours after you install a coating. But they ask you to get the car wet to apply it which makes no sense. It does make sense if they are using that product that binds to wet panels, can't recall the name but it the main ingredient in products like Hydro2 and car wash spray waxes. And that stuff is not Sillicon anything.
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Yeah Sio2 reacts with both water and air. The silane name in Hydro2 is Heptadecafluorodecyltrimethoxysilane. But as said this is over my knowledge what the different parts became after the reaction. They switches molecules with each other to form the finished results of the hydrophobic layer. And there are very different strings of those and solvents and alcohols that keep them desolved in liquid form.

It will be very interesting to hear if Meguiars is going to be explaining the SDS DPC got from them. Cause I think it's hazardious in some kind. And that needs to be disclosed in the SDS sheet even if the chemical don't need to be.
 
Heptadecafluorodecyltrimethoxysilane

Bob, break it down for us, LOL

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Klasse Act said:
Heptadecafluorodecyltrimethoxysilane

Bob, break it down for us, LOL

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Crazy hydrophobic thingy LOL. We need a real chemist here LOL. I'm not for sure LOL. But try to explain the little I have learned through a lot of reading. And that's a whole other deal when mixing and manufactured. Looking on Loach aka Wax Mode videos it sure seem to work as described. Then if it's not what they say it is. Some don't like that. And also the Sio2 is not an easy topic as it is what it is. There are a lot of chemical reaction going on.

Hey it's a product here on AGO with 35% Sio2 as the one DPC has in his sealant and also 35% Tio2. And easy to work with too :)
 
I just tried it out today on my hood and front fenders.

Just two sprays on the wet hood and wiped in with a microfiber, then followed behind it with a dry one.

Was a little grabby while there was still moisture that had not evaporated yet when first hitting it with a dry towel but after the initial pass it was pretty slick.

My conditions probably were not the best. Raining and applied under a car port, then put back out in the rain after 10-15 minuets. With the high moisture it still dried easily like using a drying aid.

Some beading from the rain. Vehicle parked on an upward sloped driveway.

I’ll also add that this is after my first light wash of the year on this car, so definitely not surgically clean and could probably use a claying. Just wanted to play around with a new product.
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So I actually tried using this as a waterless wash and actually removes dirt really well. Not the best on rims right out of the bottle but when mixed with DI water does a good job

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I used it last weekend on two 2018 Black VW's. After a waterless D115 wash. Temps were mid 50's which is like heaven in SW Florida. Worked in a garage so out of direct sunglight. I didn't follow the instructions. Working one panel at a time I just sprayed it up with distilled water and done around two to three sprays of HCW (dependent on the panel) on a wet MF pad, and wiped it all over the panel evenly. It ended up as a wet milky substance. Then using two MF's, wiped up all the wetness with one, and buffed to dry with the other. I have to say, the cars looked amazing afterwards. I really wasn't expecting as good results as i got. I really like that i could just go over everything (minus the glass) Paint was really slick and smooth afterwards. It's been 3 days now and i'd expect to be seeing the usual brake dust (did wheels too) and pollen layers by now, but both cars seem to be staying cleaner than normal. So i think its a great product. Will it replace my favorite White Shark High Temp paste wax? Probably not, but i'll certainly include it once a while to my regiment.
 
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