Waterless Wash w/o additives

Klasse Act said:
This thread inspired me to do a N914 WW, good thing I keep a spare 1000 ML Kwazzer filled with it my trunk as a part of my mobile kit. It rained on the car and then went away, dry road when I left so no sling. Doing the wash the invisible water spots showed up but simply wiped away, no issues. The thing with this product is that you can "see the clean', maybe some of you whom are really, really intune with your paint will understand what i mean here. Like i said, I'll always have this product in my collection...ALWAYS!

For the record, I use 2 ounces and 1 gallon to make my mix of N914 as a WW, twice the recommended amount but nowhere near the 8:1 ratio recommended for paint prep, so there's my take on N914 WW.

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Is there any difference between the different dilutions of N-914 when it comes to the lubrication?

I'm a totaly noob when it comes to waterless wash or rinseless wash. But N-914 is very interesting since it's able to be used as a panel prep wipe product. The thoughts goes on to it would have even more lubrication in the much stronger dilution of 1:8. But maybe it's so the solvent part gets the overhand when it's evaporate. Or that the lubrication chemical is very easy to be soaked up in the mf towel you use. It's a very cool chemical technology in it and would be awesome to try it out. Have only messed around a very little with EcH2O in 1:10 dilution. I'm thinking of trying to compare EcH2O and Sonax BSD in rinseless wash dilutions. It was Brian at Apex Detailing Channel on Youtube that mentioned that he used BSD as a rinseless wash. Don't remember what dilution he had it in. But was very surprised that BSD works as a rinseless wash too. And actually when I have tried to spray it on the paint very heavy as you do when you do waterless washes. BSD was surprising well lubricated when doing so. It's just that you are so used to use very little of BSD when you use it as a topper.

Wondering if it's a big difference from a QD with great lubrication vs a dedicated waterless wash? In just the lubrication part between them.
 
SWETM said:
Is there any difference between the different dilutions of N-914 when it comes to the lubrication?

I'm a totaly noob when it comes to waterless wash or rinseless wash. But N-914 is very interesting since it's able to be used as a panel prep wipe product. The thoughts goes on to it would have even more lubrication in the much stronger dilution of 1:8. But maybe it's so the solvent part gets the overhand when it's evaporate. Or that the lubrication chemical is very easy to be soaked up in the mf towel you use. It's a very cool chemical technology in it and would be awesome to try it out. Have only messed around a very little with EcH2O in 1:10 dilution. I'm thinking of trying to compare EcH2O and Sonax BSD in rinseless wash dilutions. It was Brian at Apex Detailing Channel on Youtube that mentioned that he used BSD as a rinseless wash. Don't remember what dilution he had it in. But was very surprised that BSD works as a rinseless wash too. And actually when I have tried to spray it on the paint very heavy as you do when you do waterless washes. BSD was surprising well lubricated when doing so. It's just that you are so used to use very little of BSD when you use it as a topper.

Wondering if it's a big difference from a QD with great lubrication vs a dedicated waterless wash? In just the lubrication part between them.
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This is the issue IMO, the chemical that prepares the paint overtakes the lubrication. It's not a good paint prep anyway so in my opinion it would be better formulated as a dedicated waterless wash with plenty of lubrication that leaves nothing behind.

This is how I feel about it but it's kinda like the only game in town. I like the product and use it but I feel it would be better without the paint prep aspect. All the dedicated paint preps I've used seem to work much much better anyway.
 
fightnews said:
I understand that that's why I emphasized
the concentrate.

It doesn't matter how much you dilute it
the base is still a chemical that wants to
evaporate like paint prep.
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{As a point of reference:
Over a given period of time...even
the water that’s used to dilute N-914
will evaporate.}

•Would you please share what the
base chemical of N-914 is?
-That way I may be more clearly able to
understand why it wants to evaporate like
paint-prep does.

fightnews said:
N914 does not have enough lubrication
in my opinion.

It can get sticky at waterless wash dilution.
I dont see that with uber at all.
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I’ve never had any RW or WW, including
N-914, or D114, get sticky—no matter
the ratio to which they were diluted.

For this thread-starter’s emphasis:
•The OP asked for a WW product that
did not contain “any waxes, shine enhancers,
etc.”...
-I proffered one that’s currently available for
purchase: McKee’s 37 N-914; and one that’s
not readily available: Meguiar’s D114.
-Somehow I must’ve missed your recommendation
that meets the OP’s criteria...Again: What was it?

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fightnews said:
This is the issue IMO,
the chemical that prepares
the paint overtakes the lubrication.

It's not a good paint prep anyway
so in my opinion it would be better
formulated as a dedicated waterless
wash with plenty of lubrication that
leaves nothing behind.

This is how I feel about it but it's kinda
like the only game in town.

I like the product and use it but I feel
it would be better without
the paint prep aspect.

All the dedicated paint preps I've used seem
to work much much better anyway.
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^^^ :wow: ... just :wow:

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Bob
 
I've had no issues with streaking doing 2 oz/1 gallon. I pre-treat, swipe and clean and do a final wipe with a Griot's Garage PFM and that's it, no problem.

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fightnews said:
This is the issue IMO, the chemical that prepares the paint overtakes the lubrication. It's not a good paint prep anyway so in my opinion it would be better formulated as a dedicated waterless wash with plenty of lubrication that leaves nothing behind.

This is how I feel about it but it's kinda like the only game in town. I like the product and use it but I feel it would be better without the paint prep aspect. All the dedicated paint preps I've used seem to work much much better anyway.
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Agreed so just use a designated one like you said, I've had great results with Griot's Garage paint prep

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FUNX650 said:
{As a point of reference:
Over a given period of time...even
the water that’s used to dilute N-914
will evaporate.}

•Would you please share what the
base chemical of N-914 is?
-That way I may be more clearly able to
understand why it wants to evaporate like
paint-prep does.


I’ve never had any RW or WW, including
N-914, or D114, get sticky—no matter
the ratio to which they were diluted

For this thread-starter’s emphasis:
•The OP asked for a WW product that
did not contain “any waxes, shine enhancers,
etc.”...
-I proffered one that’s currently available for
purchase: McKee’s 37 N-914; and one that’s
not readily available: Meguiar’s D114.
-Somehow I must’ve missed your recommendation
that meets the OP’s criteria...Again: What was it?

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^^^ :wow: ... just :wow:

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Bob
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Good for you! I'm happy to hear it... Beyond that I dont have to explain anything to you. You can read I'm sure? Go back and re read the thread and I believe you will find the answers you are looking for.
 
The best testing method I have is my home has hard wood floor so I will use it on the floorsUltima left them dangerously slick, the only two that did not leaveslick feeling were McKee’s and ONR.

For my paint prep I use distilled water McKee’s n914 and alcohol before coating.
 
Mgavin1985 said:
The best testing method I have is my home has hard wood floor so I will use it on the floorsUltima left them dangerously slick, the only two that did not leaveslick feeling were McKee’s and ONR.

For my paint prep I use distilled water McKee’s n914 and alcohol before coating.
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Do use N914, distilled and alcohol together? If so, what ratio

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Klasse Act said:
Do use N914, distilled and alcohol together? If so, what ratio

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I use a a hand held pump sprayer that holds a liter. I mix up a 50/50 mix of distilled water and alcohol then add 1/3 Oz to the mix. When I use the panel prep I soak the car down and the McKee’s helps slow the alcohol evaporation, also lubes it up so prep is quick and easy
 
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