Ceramic Coating Question

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I was contemplating purchasing the PBL elite kit for my vehicles. Before I purchased, I decided to look online to see what was the best ceramic coating for 2019. I was surprised to see that the PBL didn't make the list at any of the third party sites I looked at. I did see CarPro CQuartz, GYEON, and SONAX, but that was just about it. Any idea why more of the AG products are not making these lists?

Definitely not trying to cause any issues as I love AG, but I want the best product possible for my vehicles.
 
I wonder if it involves payment that comes from companies to actually market their products to YouTubers? I find little value on the "best of" lists,look at all the thumbnails on Beadmaker. They all came out on the same week, all have a shocked look on their face like they found the holy grail.
This forum mostly provides user feedback and if not the poster that's doing a review almost always states if the product was provided to them in exchange for a review. PBL was a decent coating but imho CQuartz,Gyeon and McKees held up better,hey look I gave you my top 3!
 
The problem with many of the reviews of ceramic coatings is not many of them say anything about the longevity (beyond the manufacturer's claims)... and focus mainly on the initial application process. Presumably, if you are interested in a coating, you are looking for information about the expected durability of the protection.

There is a video online floating around by someone who put about 40 different coatings on a test hood and did periodic updates on the status of each product over the course of about 2 years. It has longevity test results for some of the coatings you're looking at. Pretty interesting results!
 
Probably because the brands you mentioned are available globally and the PBMG brands aren’t or at least not without paying duty to have them imported?

Having said that, I do think CQuartz or Gyeon are superior.
 
In reality there is no best. That is subjective. On the other hand there are coatings that perform better than others. PBL is not a bad coating. For one it is user friendly. It is part of the AG house brands. The other are well known brands that have focused on coatings for years. Their products are also more readily available globally.

If you are looking for a durable coatings then look into cquartz. Either version will work. From experience GTechniq, Gyeon, Optimum and Sonax fall short of Cquartz in overall durability and performance. You also have to realize that these are based on my experiences and each person will have a different experience.
 
The problem with many of the reviews of ceramic coatings is not many of them say anything about the longevity (beyond the manufacturer's claims)... and focus mainly on the initial application process. Presumably, if you are interested in a coating, you are looking for information about the expected durability of the protection.

There is a video online floating around by someone who put about 40 different coatings on a test hood and did periodic updates on the status of each product over the course of about 2 years. It has longevity test results for some of the coatings you're looking at. Pretty interesting results!

And who were the top three, Nick?
 
And who were the top three, Nick?

LOL, there were more than 3 that survived by the end of the test. NuFinish was the ultimate surprise in durability. Hydrophobic properties survived longer than many of the "coatings" that were tested! CQuartz UK was one of the longer lasting... rivaling many of the "pro" coatings. I can't remember if they tested anything from PBMG.
 
I was contemplating purchasing the PBL elite kit for my vehicles.

What is your vehicle?

Doesn't matter as far as coating goes but how it's washed is key no matter what you put on the paint.



Before I purchased, I decided to look online to see what was the best ceramic coating for 2019. I was surprised to see that the PBL didn't make the list at any of the third party sites I looked at. I did see CarPro CQuartz, GYEON, and SONAX, but that was just about it.

Any idea why more of the AG products are not making these lists?


My guess is the people/websites/channels, etc., don't consider it as a player in the field of known coating products from known coating manufactures. Just a guess.

I do personally use the PBL paint coating and surface coating on one of my own cars and I've used all the brands you listed. The benefit to the PBLE coating is ease-of-use. I've also had great longevity out of it but as a "detailer", I do "something" to my car's paint more often than the average car person.

The key thing with any coating comes down to how you "touch" the paint after the coating is applied. By the word "touch" I mean anyting that touches the paint,

  • Washing with a mitt
  • Drying with a drying towel
  • Wiping with a microfiber towel
  • Any form of car wash


To help others figure out how to touch the paint in the most careful way to avoid scratching or micro-abrading the coating off the paint, I wrote this how-to article and I'm proud to say, I share it a LOT - no matter what coating is on your car.


How to safely wash a ceramic coated car by Mike Phillips - Traditional Hose & Bucket Approach

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For what it's worth, I'm teaching a class on coatings at the 2020 Mobile Tech Expo in January and one to the topics I'm covering is this article.


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I was contemplating purchasing the PBL elite kit for my vehicles.

Here's a 2-door European job I used the PBL Diamond Paint Coating and Diamond Surface Coating on at the first of the year.

It's here for a maintenance wash. Last time it was washed was back in April. The paint still looks like it was detailed yesterday.



While technically I am doing a maintenance wash to it, it's also a good example of a,

Get ready to sell detail



Check out what I wrote here,


https://www.autogeekonline.net/foru...ional-hose-bucket-approach-5.html#post1654256


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There is a video online floating around by someone who put about 40 different coatings on a test hood and did periodic updates on the status of each product over the course of about 2 years. It has longevity test results for some of the coatings you're looking at. Pretty interesting results!

And who were the top three, Nick?

While I certainly admire the time, effort and expense that went into that oft-cited test, it's my opinion that unless they strap that hood to a car and drive it around, it only tells part of the story with regards to a coatings performance, a good starting point if you will. In my climate, merely sitting outside (maintained or not) has very little effect on coating longevity when dealing with quality products. Driving, especially on freeways in the winter, is an absolute LSP killer. To wit:

We have 2 cars with considerably different usage patterns; both protected with same set of products/coatings:

1. At 3 years, 17k miles, Car 1 was still performing (w/ regards to coating) at about 85% 'as applied'
2. At 2 years, 42k miles, Car 2 was in need of re-polishing and re-coating.

1. Car 1 is about 5500 miles a year, no freeway, sits outside from April thru November but only really driven daily November thru April, short trips, no freeway.
2. Car 2 is year round daily driver, generally always garaged, 25k miles a year, 95% freeway.

Both are in NE Ohio.

Same protection, varying usage far different likely outcomes. Freeway use, especially during winter, is very, very hard on a vehicles finish. Road salt, brine, chemical de-icers, road grime ain't good for anything regarding a cars finish. Merely sitting outside in the elements has little effect on (this particular coating) coating degradation.

Point being, no claims listed on a box can even begin to adequately predict longevity. It's the ultimate YMMV scenario. And in NE Ohio, longevity based merely on the passage of time is a poor barometer of coating performance. Heck, I can take a 6-month 'coating-lite' product like Gyeon CanCoat, plop it on a car that only goes out in nice weather 3 months of the year and it'll last for years.

I (personally) think that for cars that are actually used/driven, unless coating is a self-healing product (that actually works), anything beyond 2-3 years is pointless for someone who is mildly OCD-ish about vehicle appearance. With a black daily driver, even if my coating was still doing well after 2 years/42k miles, the car woulda needed to be re-done due to defects instilled over the course of those miles in a harsh world. A coating with a 5-7 longevity, even if it were accurate, is not something I personally would ever need though others may have different needs. Since the whole 'eleventy-billionH hardness' is pretty useless when discussing scratch resistance of a coating, the world will eventually take it's toll on the paint w/ respect to scratches, scuffs and other road-borne injuries.

As with anything, YMMV...just my experience.
 
I was contemplating purchasing the PBL elite kit for my vehicles. Before I purchased, I decided to look online to see what was the best ceramic coating for 2019. I was surprised to see that the PBL didn't make the list at any of the third party sites I looked at. I did see CarPro CQuartz, GYEON, and SONAX, but that was just about it. Any idea why more of the AG products are not making these lists?

Definitely not trying to cause any issues as I love AG, but I want the best product possible for my vehicles.

Great topic and thanks to AG and Mike Phillips I had the pleasure of trying many of their products at their classes this past year. Any of the 'top' listed products are good and the hidden gems from AG private brands are on par with those finalist. The bigger names, i.e. Manufacturers heavily advertise and promote their product around the world. AG (my view only) is competing with itself with the multiple house brands. I too saw one of those third-party review sites that picked the best of the best. And the winner was a dedicated marketing machine to just their coating. Price is similar to the brands you mentioned so how did they get that ranking? Only you can find out by buying the product as I have never seen a YouTuber do a video on the product. Just Strange.

Back to your second question, what is 'best' for you vehicles? Mike Phillips hit all the high points but the 'best' is not what counts with coatings. Key to 'best' is second only to your maintenance after it is applied and all the factors where you live. With coated cars the more it gets minor nicks or scratches the worse it will look compared to other protection products (IMHO). That is one reason I still like applying a traditional wax, not all that hard to make it shine once again.

The work to prep the car for any coating is a ton of work if done properly. Application with the PBL Surface Coating and Paint Coating products are my favorites. Easy to apply and buff away any high spots. Leaves a nice shine and I do not care about the time it stays on the car. It most likely will be around a long time as I continue to use quick sprays or SiO2 toppers on my washes.

I have helped apply in the classes: PBL , Blackfire, and Gyeon MOHS. I have applied CarPro DLUX, SKIN, and their UK 3.0 and LITE ready to use next month. Just tried IGL TRIM last month along with the WINDOW on my F150.

Disclaimer: I am a hobbyist/DIY now and enjoy keeping my autos looking their 'best'.

Kirby
 
I was contemplating purchasing the PBL elite kit
for my vehicles. Before I purchased, I decided to
look online to see what was the best ceramic
coating for 2019.

I was surprised to see that the PBL didn't make the
list at any of the third party sites I looked at. I did
see CarPro CQuartz, GYEON, and SONAX, but that
was just about it.

Any idea why more of the AG products
are not making these lists?
.
•If you can agree that AG doesn’t sell any inferior
products (after all you did say: ‘I love AG’); then:

-Conversely, you must have surely noticed that
there is still a vast amount of Coating products
that aren’t making Autogeek’s list of Coatings.

-Seems to beg the same question of:
‘any idea why’, IMO.



Bob
 
I just purchased a black 2011 Corvette Grand Sport, but I also plan on putting it on our other vehicles and possibly even our travel trailer (fiberglass):

2006 Toyota Prius
2007 Infiniti G35x
2008 Toyota Sequoia
2013 Acura TSX

My main reason for wanting to go to a ceramic coating is that I am hoping I get get it to last longer than my current sealants. Both of my shoulders are shot (bone on bone) and washing and waxing a car is more than they can take. It takes several days to recuperate with lots of OTC drugs. I figure I can abuse them once and not need to do it again for another year and hopefully more, except for a wipe on reload every 6 months or so.

One company that keeps coming up is Avalon King, but I have the feeling, based on the reviews I have seen, they are actually paying people or providing product free of change for a review. I wouldn't be surprised if the reviewers are also getting a kickback based on the discount codes they are providing. Just a guess though.
 
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