Coronavirus - Covid-19 - Safe Detailing?

Also....

The nitrile gloves are not listed on the anti-bacterial page above but everyone should have these right now.

Here's the difference between the black and the orange gloves.



The black nitrile gloves are thinner and cost less. They also rip easier due to being thin.

Disposable Black Nitrile Gloves - Sizes: Medium - Large - X Large - XX Large

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The orange nitrile gloves are much thicker and more stout than the black nitrile gloves and also cost a tick more,

Orange Heavy Duty Nitrile Gloves - Sizes: Medium - Large - X Large - XX Large


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Price differences


Box of 100 black nitrile gloves = $16.00 = 17 cents per glove or 34 cents for a pair to wear.

Box of 100 orange nitrile gloves = $18.99 - 19 cents per glove or 38 cents for a pair to wear.

(in most cases you wear a pair of gloves, not just one glove)


There's a time and place for both types. I tend to prefer the orange gloves when doing any substantial work as they are much more heavy duty and also have dimples on them which increases your grip strength.

I prefer the black gloves when shooting video or taking pictures as the orange tends to blow-out the exposure making them look like they glow, which then takes away your focus from what you're trying to showcase.


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Those gloveworks are hands down the best gloves available...they run a little small so order up a size

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Gloves and masks are a no brainer. But as we begin the process of cleaning the interior if a steam cleaner is available I would just start with the process of steaming all of the surfaces as I enter the car. I think that a good quality steamer can disinfect most surfaces of the vehicle pretty quickly to give us access to actually get the job done

If that steamer is capable of getting the stuff it's cleaning to a temperature above 140 for a prolonged period, yes it will according to the CDC. I wouldn't count on that happening.
 
Chief Steamers are 280ish at the tip, I feel good about steaming areas slowly to kill it
 
I'm not taking anymore precaution against it than I do the flu,,I worry more about door knobs,kiosk and anything of the like more than a car,,,if I KNEW the car was occupied by an infected person my approach would be different,,like not even so much as getting within 15 feet of it for a week or 2
 
The latest answer I have seen to the question of "How long does the novel coronavirus remain on surfaces" :


Scientists from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) attempted to mimic the virus deposited from an infected person onto everyday surfaces in a household or other setting, such as through coughing or touching objects. They used a device to dispense an aerosol that duplicated the microscopic droplets created in a cough or a sneeze. The scientists then investigated how long the virus remained infectious on these surfaces, according to the study that appeared online in the New England Journal of Medicine on Tuesday.

The tests show that when the virus is carried by the droplets released when someone coughs or sneezes, it remains viable, or able to still infect people, in aerosols for at least three hours.

On plastic and stainless steel, viable virus could be detected after three days. On cardboard, the virus was not viable after 24 hours. On copper, it took 4 hours for the virus to become inactivated.

In terms of half-life, the research team found that it takes about 66 minutes for half the virus particles to lose function if they are in an aerosol droplet (that means that after another 66 minutes, three quarters of the virus particles will be essentially inactivated but 25% will still be viable, then the amount of viable virus at the end of the third hour and six minutes will be down to 12.5%, and so forth.

On stainless steel it takes 5 hours 38 minutes for half of the virus particles to become inactive, and on plastic, the half-life is 6 hours 49 minutes, researchers found.
 
The latest answer I have seen to the
question of "How long does the novel
coronavirus remain on surfaces" :


Scientists from the National Institute of
Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID)
attempted to mimic the virus deposited
from an infected person onto everyday surfaces
in a household or other setting, such as through
coughing or touching objects. They used a device
to dispense an aerosol that duplicated the micro-
scopic droplets created in a cough or a sneeze.



In terms of half-life, the research team found that
it takes about 66 minutes for half the virus particles
to lose function if they are in an aerosol droplet
(that means that after another 66 minutes, three
quarters of the virus particles will be essentially
inactivated but 25% will still be viable, then the
amount of viable virus at the end of the third hour
and six minutes will be down to 12.5%, and so forth.
^^^All of this gobbledygook to say that,
according to the “findings” of this research
team, the novel coronavirus will never
become completely inactive.

Heartening outlook. :-7


Bob
 
Thats interesting, sounds like that ozone machine may be a pretty important tool. I'm thinking put it in the car and let it do its thing then come back the next day with the steam cleaner and hit all the high traffic areas. Has anyone started offering Coronavirus interior details yet? I need to get a game plan together and figure out a price on these, if this damn virus is going to do nothing but cost me money in every other aspect of life I might as well figure out a way to benefit from it.
 
This was an interesting read. Posted on the Autogeek facebook page.

Chief Steamer
March 17 at 12:20 PM ·
A word from Kevin regarding the virus

"Can steam Kill the Corona Virus..... or any other virus?

That is a question we wished we had a definitive answer to. It's such a difficult question to answer as there are so many variables to consider in killing or removing contaminants from a surface with steam.

What other steam companies and I would agree on is that steam is
an excellent way to clean. It's fast; there are no chemicals used; the degree of "clean" always seems to be better than cleaning with a cloth and a spray-on type cleaner. Steam has become a preferred method of cleaning for many business and homeowners alike

But getting back to disinfection and killing of a virus........ Can steam
do it? Is it hot enough? Many scientists will tell you that high
temperatures can kill germs. Many say that germs thrive in temperature
environments between 40-140 degrees Fahrenheit. That is why it's
important to refrigerate food and cook at high temps. And boiling water
is generally very effective in killing off most bacteria in foods. To produce steam, we have to go far above the boiling point of water (212
degrees), so wouldn't it make sense that steam can kill a virus?

Many steamers, even the less expensive, non-commercial ones, can produce steam at close to 250 degrees. And the higher the pressure the steamer can reach, the higher the temperature will be. Pressure increases with heat. And heat increases the pressure. On our Chief Steamer 75
commercial machine, we are at 85 PSI in the boiler, and that equates to
roughly 310 degrees of superheated water inside the boiler. And our
other machines are even higher. Sounds like enough, right? Just blast any
surface with a little of this superheated steam, and ZAP.....virus,
germs, and bacteria are all gone!

But not so fast........

Here is where the very grey area comes in. It matters greatly how you do it if you want to have a chance at this. Many customers, when they first receive their steamer (regardless of the model), will question that the steam is not that hot. When I hear that, i know EXACTLY what they are doing. The customer is spraying steam on their hands, and they can actually handle the heat. Why would it feel only warm, and why can you stand the heat? The reasons are numerous.

Let's start with the heat in the boiler. On our Chief Steamer 75, it will be about 310 for argument sake at 85 PSI. That is IN the boiler. But the steam then needs to escape the boiler and rush through an empty and cool hose. As it travels, the steam starts to cool. We estimate about a 50 degree drop by the time it exits. This is directly at the tip of the wand, and after the steam hose has been "primed" and only hot steam is escaping. If the steam wand is held even a few inches from a surface, it
has cooled even more from hitting the atmosphere. It still is pretty hot, but how hot at that point? Can it still disinfect a surface if held 2, 3, or 4 inches away?

But if we estimate the steam is still at about 250 degrees on exit, exactly at the tip of the wand, it still will seem its plenty hot to kill a germ, bacteria, or a virus. HOWEVER....... now it's about technique and knowing how fast steam will cool as it exits the nozzle. This is why the "test" that a customer will do when they hold their hand 5 inches away and spray steam that they say it's not that hot. This is actually a very wrong technique in cleaning. Spraying steam all overlooks really cool and puts on a good show. But that method is not the best cleaning technique. The steam needs to be applied directly on the surface and not allowed to escape. And to sanitize, it needs to be there for at least a few seconds. But this is also debatable in how long steam needs to be applied to kill the virus on the surface. To be the most successful in steam cleaning, it is really about technique.

A better way in almost all cases is to use a brush on the nozzle. All steamers come with brushes. You choose the one you like. But a brush gives you a much better chance. The brush and gentle (or aggressive in some cases) scrubbing action will get you there way faster than just spraying steam and expecting built-up grime and dirt to magically go away. By using a brush, you can trap the steam on, or into, the surface and retain far more heat. By using a cloth or pad over a brush, this will trap the heat even more. NOW try touching a microfiber pad that
has just been cycled on for 20 seconds or more. It WILL now burn your hand. That is the difference. You have trapped the heat and not let it escape as easily. It stays hotter and cleans far more effectively than just spraying steam on a surface from far away

Next, you should gently scrub. It will get you there much quicker. And the rate of speed at which you move along the surface will make a HUGE difference. Move slower, the heat stays there longer, and you have a much better case of killing anything and cleaning better. Move along very fast, you will save time, but you will not clean and sanitize as effectively.

To sum it all up...... steam may very likely be able to kill a virus,
maybe even the Corona Virus. It most likely can kill germs and bacteria. But going in, you have to know what you are doing with the steamer and understand how this all can work in your favor to get the job done. And combine proper technique with a proven sanitizing cleaner lightly sprayed on a surface to enhance the cleaning and disinfection, and now you have the absolute BEST shot at getting it right. But do it wrong, and there is a strong likely hood that you did not kill anything. It may
be clean, cleaner, spotless....... but NOT sanitized. The absolute BEST steamer (whatever you may think it is) may not be killing any germs, viruses, bacteria at all if you do it wrong. And a cheaper, entry-level steamer that has far lower specs may even get the job done if the user knows how to correctly use the machine.

But even if its all done right and the technique is flawless, it's still not known if that surface is 100% sanitized and virus free. It's impossible to prove unless this is done in a laboratory. So be careful of what you may claim in your steam cleaning. But in my home, I will use steam, use it the best way I know how, and take my time. And while I will not, or cannot claim I have truly disinfected a surface, I will be far more confident that it's as close to sanitized as possible based on what we know about what extreme heat can do."
 
This was posted on Facebook.

Meguiar’s headquarters is closed as well.

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For what it’s worth I was just reading this about ozone:
New Medical Study Shows that Ozone Kills COVID-19
Submitted by admin on Fri, 03/13/2020 - 16:56
We have numerous calls coming in to ask if ozone kills coronavirus, COVID-19. We already know that ozone has successfully killed previous coronavirus threats. We now have the first documented proof from an authority source that ozone does kill the COVID-19.
 
This is from the National ozone Association:
This is great news for anyone with an ozone generator, and motivation to buy a professional ozone generator with a built-in timer. The timer is very crucial as there is no need to over-treat the building with ozone. A one-hour treatment at 4-5 ppm is sufficient to kill all types of pathogens including Ebola, MRSA, SARS, and coronaviruses. Studies show that 30-60 minutes at 4-5 ppm ozone saturation will kill off nearly all kinds of bacteria and viruses.

Elevated levels of ozone area only applied in vacant buildings/areas because ozone is a respiratory irritant. However, the ozone reverts to typical O2 in about 30 minutes. Or, just let in fresh air for a few minutes to allow normal activity to resume. Repeat the treatment as desired, and follow the other known disease prevention steps.
 
For what it’s worth I was just reading this about ozone:
New Medical Study Shows that Ozone Kills COVID-19
Submitted by admin on Fri, 03/13/2020 - 16:56
We have numerous calls coming in to ask if ozone kills coronavirus, COVID-19. We already know that ozone has successfully killed previous coronavirus threats. We now have the first documented proof from an authority source that ozone does kill the COVID-19.


Thanks for sharing Dan.


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Can’t wait for all this to pass and we all can get back to get our shine on. Stay safe!!
 
Can’t wait for all this to pass and we all can get back to get our shine on. Stay safe!!

Having lost my job to this virus for however long it takes to defeat it, one of the positives I can think of is having WAY more time to devote to my truck.

Stay safe and think positive my fellow 'Geeks!! :)
 
Having lost my job to this virus for however long it takes to defeat it, one of the positives I can think of is having WAY more time to devote to my truck.

Stay safe and think positive my fellow 'Geeks!! :)

PaulMys,
Sad to hear that news, but I suspect that you are one of the thousands that will be stranded by the COVID-19. Stay active on the forum and tell us how the car shine pastime works out.

I am starting my second week working from home and given oil prices (I work in oil company) I will most likely get laid off as prices stay low. Never saw this year as being a quick right and left jab leaving us knocked out!
 
PaulMys,
Sad to hear that news, but I suspect that you are one of the thousands that will be stranded by the COVID-19. Stay active on the forum and tell us how the car shine pastime works out.

I am starting my second week working from home and given oil prices (I work in oil company) I will most likely get laid off as prices stay low. Never saw this year as being a quick right and left jab leaving us knocked out!

Thanks, TK.

Having my mortgage and other bills put on moratorium is a blessing. Uncharted waters here, but hoping for the best.

True about the oil prices. I'm pretty shocked to see $1.99 gas here on Long Island, a place that typically pays some of the highest price per gallon in the nation.
 
Everyone, I'd like to emphasize extreme caution with detailing during this time, not only from a liability standpoint but from a health one as well. This virus spreads easy as it can be transmitted by those who are asymptomatic. Every day more and more information comes out and, from what I've been following in some health publications/journals, that our understanding of the virus is changing (this is good because we are understanding more).

Cleaning vehicles is NOT an essential business (not what I wanted to say nor what I wanted to hear...trust me) unless you know how to properly sanitize around parameters of SARS-COV-2. The TL/DR of this is most of us detailers do not have the tools, protection, and chemicals needed to combat SARS-COV-2. I'm not a doctor/epidemiologist/nurse (nor do I play one on TV) but I've done some basic research (included) and plea with you to protect your health. Here's just a few things to support my position.

As of the time of this writing, the CDC (direct from them) says with regard to cleaning in hospitals, "EVS (Environmental Sanitation) personnel should refrain from entering the vacated room until sufficient time has elapsed for enough air changes to remove potentially infectious particles (more information on clearance rates under differing ventilation conditions is available). After this time has elapsed, EVS personnel may enter the room and should wear a gown and gloves when performing terminal cleaning. A facemask and eye protection should be added if splashes or sprays during cleaning and disinfection activities are anticipated or otherwise required based on the selected cleaning products." So first, you'd need to air a vehicle out with sufficient movement (also filtration because blowing contaminated air out does no good) then you need to wear the proper PPE to prevent getting the virus on you. Because we, "roll around in it," so to speak, when detailing an interior there's a chance of transferring the virus to our bodies/clothes. More reading can be found here: Healthcare Infection Prevention and Control FAQs for COVID-19 | CDC

Steaming, so far, best as I can tell from my research that led me to the conclusion that I should not detail during this time, is that steam can cause the active virus to leave a surface and become airborne. Steaming would be considered an "aerosol generating procedure," and requires an N-95 respirator, gloves, eye protection, and a gown (in our case we would need coveralls) that (one could draw an assumption) would protect from 50 nanometers up. This measurement is based off the National Institute of Health research (found here: Supramolecular Architecture of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus Revealed by Electron Cryomicroscopy). I have not found a medical study that displays the death of SARS-COV-2 through steam yet. I am awaiting a call back from an epidemiologist to receive guidance on where to find data pertaining to this.

In the mean time, my personal conclusion is based off the current data posted to the WHO website that states, "Heat at 56°C kills the SARS coronavirus at around 10000 units per 15 min (quick reduction)." So, depending on the concentration, you would need one hundred thirty six degree Fahrenheit concentrated for 15 minutes to make a significant inactivation shot. I know my steamer puts out a lot of pressure, so while one could expect the 250 degree steam to create an "instant kill" in its direct high heat path, the pressure and rapid cooling as you move away from the nozzle could "spray" the still active virus back into the air for you to pick up and carry (or worse, inhale).

Well, what about ozone? Ozone (O3) has a prospect for letting that third oxygen molecule "breach" the virus protein wall and enter causing the virus unable to replicate. This is actually a thing and is possibly the only non chemical fight detailers would have against SARS-COV-2. There is just one problem, how long do you ozone the vehicle and how do you guarantee that you effectively neutralized the virus in its entirety? There is available data to show that SARS-COV-1 is susceptible to ozone but not all viruses become inactive at the same rate and concentration and SARS-COV-2 is already showing some limited properties different that its predecessor. When it comes to how long it takes to ozone inactivate this virus I have not been able to find data from medical sources. There are some manufactures of ozone products who will draw conclusions that it will work similar to SARS-COV-1 but I again have not seen hard data.

Cleaning chemicals can work, and some of them are in your home! However, there is one catch, these products do not produce instant inactivation of the virus. For example, Clorox Wipes (if you can find them) need four minutes of contact time. During this four minutes, the surface needs to kept wet with product. "Instant kill," products are in short supply as our front line health care workers are using them to fight the virus (and they sure need them). You would have to find a product (see this list: List N: Disinfectants for Use Against SARS-CoV-2 | Pesticide Registration | US EPA) then make sure it is safe for use on the materials on our vehicle interiors (leather, glass, and touch screens are the principal mediums that come to mind). As of this time, no product in the Autogeek antibacterial section are listed for fighting SARS-COV-2.

I love detailing and was excited to really push my business forward this spring as the supplemental income is needed but it is not worth the risk to myself, my family, my community, and someone expecting their vehicle to be sanitized. For the time being we need to do our part and stay home to slow the spread and make ready for recovery when this virus passes.

One final note, a very reputable detailer, Renny Doyle has himself even come out with similar thoughts (check out his video, it confirmed my thoughts about detailing during this time) and my research I was able to do backs up his conclusions. Please stay healthy everyone, this will pass and we will prevail.
 
Dano Shine, would you be able to PM me that article or articles about Ozone and Covid-19? I’d really appreciate it, thanks!

Hey AaronE, thanks for that post, a very informative and important read.

I’ve been thinking of using Ozone as that seems to be the best option before even doing anything inside the vehicle, put on ppe, lay the machine in the car and blast it for an hour or so and take care of the exterior. When it’s done allow it to air out a bit, cleaning door jambs, door panels etc before entering in to clean the dash, seats and carpets.

I, like you though, haven’t found anything that confirms Ozone kills Covid-19 in X amount of time at a specific PPM. I found a study that showed Ozone killing SARS and multiple other viruses and bacteria, but that’s about it. Been quite hard to find anything of any worth at this moment for Covid-19. As you say too, all these disinfectants are a)going to require different “time to kill” and must remain wet, b)basically impossible to find now and if you do won’t be able to buy enough for business and c)may not even be “friendly” to the materials.
 
That's why I decided to not kick off the season yet. I set up my final semester of school so I could detail several days a week once weather hear in lovely Northwest Ohio broke. I made sure to do some digging if my methods would be safe for myself and provide customers peace of mind and my research gave me a big ole nope.

Hopefully if everyone, including us detailers, stay home this will pass soon and we can get back to work.
 
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