New Wolfgang Ceramics vs DPGS hood test!
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In a separate (roof) test, which I did to provide me with further information about some recent poor test results:
I applied WG Ceramic Spray Coating (CSC) to the roof, next to other items I wanted to observe. After 5 days of garage sleep, I brought out the hose, spraying roof test cases with different sprayer settings. I applied these during warmer days so they were curing in warmer weather across the board. I recorded the event but license plate was viewable so I’m not sharing.
As a result of the new comparisons on the roof, I observe:
WG CSC sheets better than on the hood. It is a tad behind CanCoat, but I had to stare at video for a bit to conclude this. (They are side-by-side on middle roof). WG CSC looks to be equal with PBL Surface Coating (located on a back section of roof on a different angle, so I’m taking my best guess). Also in the back section was 2 coats of Synergy and 2 coats of Dodo Nano which are also on par in this early going. The 5 products mentioned in this paragraph are performing how I would expect... maybe due to warming weather? My prep was less than previous tests, only using prep polish.
In the tradition of crappy test results, I also have a coat of Viking Spritz on the roof which sheets crappy in my test. I will add a second coat to see if it’s my bottle being old or another potential application issue.
I applied WG Ceramic Spray Coating (CSC) to the roof, next to other items I wanted to observe. After 5 days of garage sleep, I brought out the hose, spraying roof test cases with different sprayer settings. I applied these during warmer days so they were curing in warmer weather across the board. I recorded the event but license plate was viewable so I’m not sharing.
As a result of the new comparisons on the roof, I observe:
WG CSC sheets better than on the hood. It is a tad behind CanCoat, but I had to stare at video for a bit to conclude this. (They are side-by-side on middle roof). WG CSC looks to be equal with PBL Surface Coating (located on a back section of roof on a different angle, so I’m taking my best guess). Also in the back section was 2 coats of Synergy and 2 coats of Dodo Nano which are also on par in this early going. The 5 products mentioned in this paragraph are performing how I would expect... maybe due to warming weather? My prep was less than previous tests, only using prep polish.
In the tradition of crappy test results, I also have a coat of Viking Spritz on the roof which sheets crappy in my test. I will add a second coat to see if it’s my bottle being old or another potential application issue.
MrOneEyedBoh
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Could you do the new WG Sio2 sealant vs OG sealants like Colly 845 or Powerlock?
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I could do that... flat-surface-real-estate and desire to correct my cars in early June are the biggest obstacles... but at this point I’m considering keeping roofs on a separate correction schedule than other panels, to allow tests to go on. Could probably do something on the wife’s roof, albeit there’s not much painted surface to test a lot of OGs.
Which OGs you want besides 845 and Powerlock?
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If like to see maybe fk425 if you have, M37 HD paint sealant, colly 845 and powerlock.. if you have those cool, if not substitute
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I assume your first one is “FK1000p” rather than FK425 quick detailer. I have all of those listed and more. I may include Colly 915 and 476 too.
I’m going to wait for one more rain event and then polish off my Acura ceramic wax test panels OR make room on the wife’s car. I’ll decide and get this started by next weekend at latest.
In the meantime if anyone has any other OG sealant requests, let me know. Using roof and hood I assume I can fit 8-9 total excluding the WG SiO2 PS.
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Thanks and yeah, not sure how I did that lol. Thanks!!
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Update 4/25
Hood is looking good. No obvious loss of performance from anything. Lots of rain in the last 12 hours and quite a bit more coming this week.
First pic is for reference:
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Early morning:
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Afternoon during heavy rain:
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As far as the roof, as mentioned a few posts up, it’s just a random assortment of products I wanted to compare.
First pic for reference:
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Afternoon in heavy rain:
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A lot of large, standing beads on the middle roof because of gravity. I own one of the only flat driveways in Pittsburgh metro, so these always show up at the crest of each roof.
A few days ago I took up close pics of beads for the 4 products in the back of the roof:
PBL Surface Coating
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Synergy
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Nano
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Viking Spritz
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Viking Spritz has the most fancy, tall beads. Basically just like shown on their website. All products sheeting extremely well though.
Hood is looking good. No obvious loss of performance from anything. Lots of rain in the last 12 hours and quite a bit more coming this week.
First pic is for reference:
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Early morning:
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Afternoon during heavy rain:
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As far as the roof, as mentioned a few posts up, it’s just a random assortment of products I wanted to compare.
First pic for reference:
View attachment 69391
Afternoon in heavy rain:
View attachment 69386
A lot of large, standing beads on the middle roof because of gravity. I own one of the only flat driveways in Pittsburgh metro, so these always show up at the crest of each roof.
A few days ago I took up close pics of beads for the 4 products in the back of the roof:
PBL Surface Coating
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Synergy
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Nano
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Viking Spritz
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Viking Spritz has the most fancy, tall beads. Basically just like shown on their website. All products sheeting extremely well though.
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Looking good so far. Does the 3 get any garage time or is it strictly outside?
And yeah, more rain to come for the next few days for sure.
And yeah, more rain to come for the next few days for sure.
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The X5 regularly gets 50% garage time, splitting with my wife’s car (1 car garage). But since the start of the hood test, I would say that the X5 has been outside 80% of the time, and has been outside during every precipitation event since the hood test began. So for the purposes of this thread, it’s become mostly an outside car.
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Oops. Sorry about that. Picture of the back looked like a 3. X5 it is! And cool on the outside for us...not so much for the X5.
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Update 05/12/20 (6+ weeks):
I’ve been a little wild with washing to speed this test up once I realized it’s May and I correct my X5 in June/July. I’ve been using Four Star Professional Series Auto Wash which seems to be pretty harsh in hindsight. I’ve been washing hood and roof 3-4 times a week for the last 3 weeks and DGPS and PBL Sealant are getting beat up.
But Essence has arrived and now I can see what’s really going on. Below pics are after 2 washes with Reset today.
Hood:
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Right after spraying
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Round 2 spray
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Roof:
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Round 2 +~60sec
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I’ve been a little wild with washing to speed this test up once I realized it’s May and I correct my X5 in June/July. I’ve been using Four Star Professional Series Auto Wash which seems to be pretty harsh in hindsight. I’ve been washing hood and roof 3-4 times a week for the last 3 weeks and DGPS and PBL Sealant are getting beat up.
But Essence has arrived and now I can see what’s really going on. Below pics are after 2 washes with Reset today.
Hood:
Reference
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Right after spraying
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+15sec
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Round 2 spray
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Round 2 +2sec
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Round 2 +5sec
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Roof:
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Right after spraying
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Round 2 +~60sec
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05/12/20 continued...
Hood observations:
- CSC caught up to WG PS, likely because it’s more typical SiO2 spray is standing up to the chemical resistance of the washes a little better. But WG Sealant is still doing very well. I should note that WG Sealant still has nicer beading after rain storms, just sheeting has slowed a bit.
- Pinnacle Crystal SiO2 Spray is still pretty good. It’s behind PS and CSC but better than the traditional sealants.
- Traditional sealants are a bit slow. They’ve taken a hit from all the washing but still alive and not so bad. The hood ends up dry across the board after a minute.
Mid-Roof observations:
- Cancoat is a beast. But being on a horizontal surface the beads aren’t rolling off. That’s fine, they go off quickly during a drive.
- WG CSC is the second best mid-roof behavior at this point.
- PBL Surface is 3rd, not too far behind CSC.
- Ti-22 isn’t fairing well, but still technically alive.
Rear Roof observations:
- Viking Spritz seems best right now.
- PBL Surface second
- Nano wax 3rd
- Synergy 4th
Overall, I believe the Four Star wash is harsh but I had still been using it over and over. The more typical spray SiO2s seem to handle chemical resistance the best, but WG SiO2 is very admirable as well. The SiO2 waxes are getting degraded but at the end they are still fully sheeting and beading.
Hood observations:
- CSC caught up to WG PS, likely because it’s more typical SiO2 spray is standing up to the chemical resistance of the washes a little better. But WG Sealant is still doing very well. I should note that WG Sealant still has nicer beading after rain storms, just sheeting has slowed a bit.
- Pinnacle Crystal SiO2 Spray is still pretty good. It’s behind PS and CSC but better than the traditional sealants.
- Traditional sealants are a bit slow. They’ve taken a hit from all the washing but still alive and not so bad. The hood ends up dry across the board after a minute.
Mid-Roof observations:
- Cancoat is a beast. But being on a horizontal surface the beads aren’t rolling off. That’s fine, they go off quickly during a drive.
- WG CSC is the second best mid-roof behavior at this point.
- PBL Surface is 3rd, not too far behind CSC.
- Ti-22 isn’t fairing well, but still technically alive.
Rear Roof observations:
- Viking Spritz seems best right now.
- PBL Surface second
- Nano wax 3rd
- Synergy 4th
Overall, I believe the Four Star wash is harsh but I had still been using it over and over. The more typical spray SiO2s seem to handle chemical resistance the best, but WG SiO2 is very admirable as well. The SiO2 waxes are getting degraded but at the end they are still fully sheeting and beading.
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Those pictures of the roof really kinda make you think. It also makes me realize all the different items on the shelf in your storage area!!! :-D
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Update 05/22/2020 (~8 weeks for hood, ~6 weeks for roof)
What has the car been through so far?
The car has been outside 90% or more of the time. There's been lots of rain and lots of pollen. Pollen led me to washing a lot so I could see the real behavior before every rain, and the washes have been a steady 3-4 times a week. The most recent washes have been with Reset or Hyper Wash (back and forth), and prior was Four Star Professional which chewed up the LSPs a decent amount the first 4 weeks. I've now washed the hood and roof 26 times. I figured 26 washes can loosely represent 26 weeks (or 6 months) worth of weekly washing. Of course time is a consideration when it comes to durability and 8 weeks does not equal 6 months, but I at least was able to rough it up with washes and straight towel drying with PFMs (no drying aid, no blow drying).
Hood -
Pinnacle Crystal SiO2 Spray, PBL Sealant and WG DGPS are dead. I'm defining dead as less than 20% of it's original performance.
WG SiO2 PS and Ceramic Spray Coating are hanging on. Both are probably around 30%.
WG PS beads and sheets noticeably better when the car has dirt/pollen on it.
CSC catches up in beading and sheets slightly faster after a Reset wash.
Overall, I still like WG PS more because it's just less finicky with it's performance (and I think it looks sleeker, smoother). Pics below, with CSC on the mid-left and PS on the mid-right:
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5/21 prior to Reset wash (moderate pollen on horizontal surfaces):
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5/21 after Reset wash:
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Roof -
PBL Synergy, Dodo Nano and AW Ti-22 are dead.
CanCoat remains a beast and I would say it's still at 85% of original strength. But on the horizontal surface the beads want to sit rather than sheet at standstill. Sheeting happens easily once the car is in motion.
PA Viking Spritz is doing fairly well at 60-70%, slower sheeting but probably has the tallest standing beads.
WG CSC maybe 50%
PBL Surface Coating is hanging on, maybe 40%.
Reference:
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5/21 after Reset wash:
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I'll let the remaining LSPs stay for now. I'm getting itchy to try out some of my other items and might do so where the failed LSPs were. As of now I intend to wash the roof and hood 3-4 times per week still to get this test over with.
What has the car been through so far?
The car has been outside 90% or more of the time. There's been lots of rain and lots of pollen. Pollen led me to washing a lot so I could see the real behavior before every rain, and the washes have been a steady 3-4 times a week. The most recent washes have been with Reset or Hyper Wash (back and forth), and prior was Four Star Professional which chewed up the LSPs a decent amount the first 4 weeks. I've now washed the hood and roof 26 times. I figured 26 washes can loosely represent 26 weeks (or 6 months) worth of weekly washing. Of course time is a consideration when it comes to durability and 8 weeks does not equal 6 months, but I at least was able to rough it up with washes and straight towel drying with PFMs (no drying aid, no blow drying).
Hood -
Pinnacle Crystal SiO2 Spray, PBL Sealant and WG DGPS are dead. I'm defining dead as less than 20% of it's original performance.
WG SiO2 PS and Ceramic Spray Coating are hanging on. Both are probably around 30%.
WG PS beads and sheets noticeably better when the car has dirt/pollen on it.
CSC catches up in beading and sheets slightly faster after a Reset wash.
Overall, I still like WG PS more because it's just less finicky with it's performance (and I think it looks sleeker, smoother). Pics below, with CSC on the mid-left and PS on the mid-right:
Reference:
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5/21 prior to Reset wash (moderate pollen on horizontal surfaces):
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5/21 after Reset wash:
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Roof -
PBL Synergy, Dodo Nano and AW Ti-22 are dead.
CanCoat remains a beast and I would say it's still at 85% of original strength. But on the horizontal surface the beads want to sit rather than sheet at standstill. Sheeting happens easily once the car is in motion.
PA Viking Spritz is doing fairly well at 60-70%, slower sheeting but probably has the tallest standing beads.
WG CSC maybe 50%
PBL Surface Coating is hanging on, maybe 40%.
Reference:
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5/21 after Reset wash:
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I'll let the remaining LSPs stay for now. I'm getting itchy to try out some of my other items and might do so where the failed LSPs were. As of now I intend to wash the roof and hood 3-4 times per week still to get this test over with.
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Makes me almost think it’s best to put a new coat of WG DGPS on my M4 except that it is in the garage and only goes to work 1x and a nice cruise 1x a week due to COVID, so think I will just leave it for now as it still beads nicely after 6 months (very little driving in Winter months as I use the F150 instead). Thanks for the update,great test
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Seem like CanCoat is still a benchmark for lite coatings. Thanks for all this work.
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It’s the most durable and longest lasting (I’ll get experience with Moonlight in the next year to compare). Not the easiest application but still easy. Not the glassiest look but still good. Beads and sheeting can’t be beat by non-true-coatings. Better than PNS by quite a bit.
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Final Update 6/4/20:
Hood: Both WG SiO2 products are still present. More or less equal to each other except I still like the sealant’s beads slightly more.
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Roof: Cancoat still in great shape. WG CSC still present. PBL Surface Coating still present. PA Viking still present but hard to see from this angle, sorry.
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Last night I clayed with Feynlab Pure Rinseless as the lubricant. I’ll be correcting this weekend and laying down a summer coat of somethin-somethin.
I’ll try to gather my overall thoughts about the test and products in the near future when my brain hurts less.
Hood: Both WG SiO2 products are still present. More or less equal to each other except I still like the sealant’s beads slightly more.
YouTube
Roof: Cancoat still in great shape. WG CSC still present. PBL Surface Coating still present. PA Viking still present but hard to see from this angle, sorry.
YouTube
Last night I clayed with Feynlab Pure Rinseless as the lubricant. I’ll be correcting this weekend and laying down a summer coat of somethin-somethin.
I’ll try to gather my overall thoughts about the test and products in the near future when my brain hurts less.