What's everyone's thoughts on the Covid-19 situation?

[opie2]

Come on Opie, you know I mean reasonable protections as I mentioned yesterday. I’m not for eroding our liberties. I see that much of our differences are the fact that I’m focused in the big picture and people think I’m still fighting about Covid. That’s too bad.

I also want better gun control but have a nice gun collection that I added to this Christmas.

As my previous post showed, I’m wanting balance where we should be able to have our cake and eat it too. Now how do we agree in what balance looks like? Well I wish we as a nation could have that discussion but we don’t have an analog scale, we’ve switched to a digital scale that is either 1 or 0 depending on your viewpoint.

Dgage I do believe that your overall thought process and ideals have good intentions.

The thoughts i have are i do not believe for one second that the powers to be do not have a hidden agenda that would take our great country in the wrong direction

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[CleanIT]

Sorry if I am coming across too harsh. No disrespect intended. Peace.

Quite frankly most of these guys suck and our system is corrupt.

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[TTQ B4U]

You are not wrong about the seat belts but where we’re going is proven vaccines will not be leveraged in the future. There isn’t a distinction between proven vaccines and unproven vaccines, which actually supports both of our arguments. And by the way, the vaccines did go through full testing as usual, they just crashed the schedule and did them concurrently and used Uncle Sam to put up a lot of money to absolve risk.

I'm quite aware the vaccines are tested....fully? Then why has everyone washed their hands of any responsibility should something bad happen? Employers, gov't manufacturers all get a pass on any responsibility to what comes after them yet those that are taking a pass are the ones being irresponsible? I'm sorry but that's Bull and a key portion of the lack of credibility around them. As a leader myself, I lead with trust but not blind trust and I don't ask the team to do something I don't do first and when it comes to responsibility, it all falls on me first and foremost. No one involved in the rollout here is a leader. They are dictatorial cowards.

But that doesn’t change your point that they were rushed and that they are being pushed on people. But at this point 60%+ of Americans, over 200 million at this point are fully vaccinated and many with boosters. What is your criteria for a proven vaccine?

Yep...another chink in the credibility is that they are being pushed, mandated and FORCED upon people. It all adds up to poor leadership/rollout and it doesn't matter how many are fully vaccinated or boosted. My criteria is but one opinion, perhaps those in charge should have sought out better counsel before they pulled out the dictator card to such a roll out. Long term, no, they don't know.

As a country we’re broken.

Yep, and IMO it's being broken purposefully. Yet another point of credibility that is in the crapper. ALL The above said and by no means all the points out there, lead to people to distrust and rightfully so.

 

[TTQ B4U]

Tucker Carlson is a propagandist and not a credible source of news. He's a rightwing fascist that has admitted to lying when cornered. He should be more concerned with the authoritarian president he supported and other fascists within that party. THAT is the threat to this democracy, not covid. January 6th? Hmmmm. That DB is on tv in our house all the time due to living with an older parent who watches Fox News. I'm an independent with no dog in the fight so I could care less about political party etc. I often agree with him but overall find him to be a clown pushing garbage to get ratings. Apparently he's ok with the clown car coup attempt by the last administration too. He blows that off but is so afraid of Fauci and anything covid related. Guy is a jackass.

So as many who hate Trump as a person, I get it, you don't like Tucker either. However, nothing over the term of Trump was about him as a person but about his policies and views and Tuckers shows again, aren't about him. It's funny how people can hate a person and then ignore the actual subjects or data points that they present. Not much else to garner from your reply but that's okay.

 

[opie2]

Everyone should vote on policy. Leave your emotions at home.

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[Klasse Act]

Everyone should vote on policy. Leave your emotions at home.

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I'd love to see how this would all go if left in the hands of voters

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[CleanIT]

Policies are fine and should be what is focused on until you're dealing with a narcissist that sets the country on fire, can't denounce the Proud Boys on TV then try and attempt a coup because the man can never admit defeat. That trumps policies, no pun intended.

I've voted for R's and D's before. Trump did some things I agree with. He destroyed his legacy because he's a man-child. Most teenagers I know are more mature than that buffoon.

 

[dgage]

I'm quite aware the vaccines are tested....fully? Then why has everyone washed their hands of any responsibility should something bad happen? Employers, gov't manufacturers all get a pass on any responsibility to what comes after them yet those that are taking a pass are the ones being irresponsible? I'm sorry but that's Bull and a key portion of the lack of credibility around them. As a leader myself, I lead with trust but not blind trust and I don't ask the team to do something I don't do first and when it comes to responsibility, it all falls on me first and foremost. No one involved in the rollout here is a leader. They are dictatorial cowards.



Yep...another chink in the credibility is that they are being pushed, mandated and FORCED upon people. It all adds up to poor leadership/rollout and it doesn't matter how many are fully vaccinated or boosted. My criteria is but one opinion, perhaps those in charge should have sought out better counsel before they pulled out the dictator card to such a roll out. Long term, no, they don't know.



Yep, and IMO it's being broken purposefully. Yet another point of credibility that is in the crapper. ALL The above said and by no means all the points out there, lead to people to distrust and rightfully so.

This is a great post and I agree with all of it. Our positions differ slightly but you make some solid points. My hats off to you sir!

 

[dgage]

Policies are fine and should be what is focused on until you're dealing with a narcissist that sets the country on fire, can't denounce the Proud Boys on TV then try and attempt a coup because the man can never admit defeat. That trumps policies, no pun intended.

I've voted for R's and D's before. Trump did some things I agree with. He destroyed his legacy because he's a man-child. Most teenagers I know are more mature than that buffoon.

I didn't like Trump before he was President even though my dad was a big fan. We are called the UNITED States of America and he did the opposite of unite so he was a failure in my eyes. Not a good human so couldn't even start to become a good President. I didn't care for Clinton either. My opinion on Biden is incomplete but we'll know within the next 2 years as he can't possibly win another term.

 

[opie2]

Policies are fine and should be what is focused on until you're dealing with a narcissist that sets the country on fire, can't denounce the Proud Boys on TV then try and attempt a coup because the man can never admit defeat.

Ummm im pretty sure rioters were the ones that set things on fire good sir.

Trump would be better behind the scenes assisting to make good policies not making "mean tweets".

I dont recall biden ever denouncing anyone...just to play devils advocate


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[CleanIT]

Ummm im pretty sure rioters were the ones that set things on fire good sir.

Trump would be better behind the scenes assisting to make good policies not making "mean tweets".

I dont recall biden ever denouncing anyone...just to play devils advocate


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I understand that. ANTIFA and all the rioting was also extremely bad. And the left (CNN etc) did not do their fair share of covering that. I'm truly not on one side or the other. I can't stand both extremes. If I had to really break it down though, I'm concerned with some of what I consider the fascist element of the now Trump Republican party. They are as terrifying as the Marxists on the left.

 

[opie2]

I understand that. ANTIFA and all the rioting was also extremely bad. And the left (CNN etc) did not do their fair share of covering that. I'm truly not on one side or the other. I can't stand both extremes. If I had to really break it down though, I'm concerned with some of what I consider the fascist element of the now Trump Republican party. They are as terrifying as the Marxists on the left.

I agree good sir. Both extremes would be no good

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[TTQ B4U]

Never gets old......haters of him still talk about Trump either purposefully to make a right turn or perhaps because they can't help themselves. People call him a Narcissist are just as infatuated with him if not more than they claim he is of himself and yet they wonder why he has a big head? The irony of it all. If the haters would stick to policies and topics vs him as a person they perhaps would deal him the biggest blow to an ego one could give. However, they can't talk about policies because he was pretty much spot-on and they'd be giving him credence. ffwd to today and the policies the left is pushing.....well, hello 2021 and the crap storm it's bringing. Congrats to Brandon!

 

[Bosko]

Donald Trump lives in the heads of the left rent free........

 

[Klasse Act]

I'll say it was embarrassing the "one time event" that was Jan 6, can't ignore the optics, no way no how. That said, where was the denouncing of looting and burning building in every major city during the spring/summer of 2020. I mean because it was so constant and wide spread it would've taken alot of energy...and nerve to call the people out doing it because as we all know they were "peacefully protesting". I think it's awesome that all their bosses gave them so much time off, those people are real heros...sorry, got my tongue stuck in my cheek for a minute

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[opie2]

Donald Trump lives in the heads of the left rent free........

Oh man so true. Sounds like something a great radio host once said.

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[CleanIT]

I think he's done some good though. 1) he got most of non-belligerent Americans vaccinated quickly 2) he got Covid economic help to the people quickly, 3) he got the infrastructure bill through, 4) he is working on the build America back better bill and 5) he and Trump got us out of Afghanistan.
All Trump did was pass the Koch brothers big tax tax cut and start trade wars with China and Europe which we lost and cost us dearly, started to get us out of Afghanistan, all while advocating "##### grabbing." He failed on his infrastructure bill.

Policies. Most of the general media outlets, especially Fox, couldn't separate true socialism from Democratic Socialism, from Keynesian Economics to Austrian Economics. They laugh at Modern Monetary Theory because they're braindead. I always tuned in to Mark Levin, Sean Hannity, Rush etc. and while they occasionally offer some good points, they are paid entertainers talking about policy which they don't have a clue about. It's pure rhetoric. And make no mistake, the left does too but his idea that if you focus on his policies then all would be well is a complete joke.

Yes, people still talk about Trump because they are wondering if the party is going to stand behind him or move on. January 6th was a big deal, incited from the top down.

 

[TTQ B4U]

Yes, people still talk about Trump because they are wondering if the party is going to stand behind him or move on. January 6th was a big deal, incited from the top down.

Who cares if the party stands with Trump behind Trump, etc. Again, who cares about him as a person and why? His policies spoke to the people more than he did. He was never "my guy" but his policies were directly in line with my thinking. I don't need someone to speak for me or the way I would, I dont' care at all about that. Jan 6th was hardly a big deal. What was actually done that makes it a big deal? LOL. What makes it a big deal is the oddities that exist around it but I won't digress as this is a covid thread. Interesting that still so many are hung up on the 6th.....but then it's their hook into Trump that they too can't stop talking about.

IMO the reason so many are so hung up on Trump is he awoke the populist movement of so many that laid dormant for the most part and that scared the likes of Pelosi and her ilk and still do to this day. Especially anyone who is actually serious enough to lay their life on the line for things. Many of us have and will again and won't tolerate the riots, etc. They are okay with rioting and chaos but not when it comes for them or others actually strike back. it's why they were rooting for Kyle to go down but his victory showed them that self defense with force is still alive and a solid movement.

 

[CleanIT]

My line on this is that while 1/6 was definitely a clown car coup attempt, it's still an attempt, and the way that a lot of the long term political mobilizing gets done on the right is via long term culturalist woo woo nonsense about race, religion, specific defined meanings around the flag, etc. So 1/6 stuff can be built into a longer narrative arch about their completely detached from reality understanding of the world.

Dems are badly corrupt too, along with all of the FBI tactics of basically setting up many so called "terrorist" attacks themselves then recruiting for it (liberty city 7, etal). But this is a separate issue.

I'm fine with an emphasis on the national security state gone wild, but I'm decidedly much less comfortable with the implication that 1/6 was a small clown car event that should be dismissed. It was an attempted coup, amateur hour? Yes, but if you just act like it's not a big deal, it will simply create more motivation to recruit for future events.

So it's worth splitting those issues up a bit.






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[TTQ B4U]

My line on this is that while 1/6 was definitely a clown car coup attempt, it's still an attempt, and the way that a lot of the long term political mobilizing gets done on the right is via long term culturalist woo woo nonsense about race, religion, specific defined meanings around the flag, etc. So 1/6 stuff can be built into a longer narrative arch about their completely detached from reality understanding of the world.

Was it really an attempt or a staged open door to simply let both "planted" antagonists and others who would follow, make a scene? Just too much BS odd about it. It was even apparent when watching it live as I was like W-T-F. I would also disagree on calling the nonsense about concerns related to race and the flag, etc. The truth is there is indeed a play of BS being pushed about America being racist, etc. If you buy into the whole collective America is evil then there's where our conversing about things will end because I won't even entertain that line of garbage.

I'm decidedly much less comfortable with the implication that 1/6 was a small clown car event that should be dismissed. It was an attempted coup, amateur hour? Yes, but if you just act like it's not a big deal, it will simply create more motivation to recruit for future events.

The only motivation and organization around the breach were from non-Trump / conservatives. Those creating that we're not us. If that was the case there would have been tens of thousands moving on that place. There wasn't. It was a relatively small group of antagonists (bad actors against Trump), many of whom have been pointed out as having been ignored since when they could have easily been tracked down. They then sold a group of the fringe there to join in of course but the VAST majority of those rounded up thus far did nothing beyond trespassing and many that Tucker and others have had on air had nothing to do with it and weren't even on capital grounds.

It's ridiculous and scary at the same time. Again, goes to show there's ZERO credibility in Washington. The ilk in Washington are leveraging this just like the fake Russia Narrative and of course all the lame attempts that occurred over his term in office. So back to covid......time to move back to life. Whether people do so is up to them but many of us are over that crap.