Hey ya'll. Does it make sense to apply a ceramic coat after applying the Meguires D166 (applied with cutting pad to remove swirls caused by a CG V32 compound). Also, should I apply a 2nd coat of D166 with a polishing pad? I know its an AOI but these were the instructions i was given andvi just wanted to double check. Thx.
Ceramic coat after Meguires D166 Ultra Polishing Wax?
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The Guz
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A ceramic coating needs to bond to bare paint. D166 is an AIO and leaves wax behind. If you plan to ceramic coat then follow up with a polish and prep wipe. Coatings can bond to primer polishes.
No need to do a second coat as the first coat will be removed. D166 is an abrasive AIO.
No need to do a second coat as the first coat will be removed. D166 is an abrasive AIO.
acuRAS82
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Who gave instructions, and these were instructions for applying a coating, or just for removing swirls?
You should have used a non-AIO as your finishing polish, then done your IPA if you want to do a coating. It would then be ready for coating. The word “coating” is thrown around a lot. What are you trying to apply?
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I had serious trail rash along both sides of my black f150. I
used a CG V32 compound followed by a V36 polish with white CG pad, initially.
Applied with DA. I ended up bad swirls all over my paint.
Was told to use D166 AOI and cutting pad to remove swirls. Was also advised to do a polish with AOI after cut.
I had already purchased the ceramic coating so i wanted to use it but...anyways...so now lol...i had planned on doing a 2nd polishing coat with the D166 so i have been wiping the D166 off with an IPA after each pass.
Im 95% done with the first coat and planned on cont. with a 2nd coat this morning but now im not really sure what to do lol.
I know. Ima mess lol.
First time with detailing.
Any advise with how to move forward now?
Did i remove all the wax from D166 with the IPA? Should I apply a coat of wax or sealent or do I need to de-grease and wash before?
Ugh....
used a CG V32 compound followed by a V36 polish with white CG pad, initially.
Applied with DA. I ended up bad swirls all over my paint.
Was told to use D166 AOI and cutting pad to remove swirls. Was also advised to do a polish with AOI after cut.
I had already purchased the ceramic coating so i wanted to use it but...anyways...so now lol...i had planned on doing a 2nd polishing coat with the D166 so i have been wiping the D166 off with an IPA after each pass.
Im 95% done with the first coat and planned on cont. with a 2nd coat this morning but now im not really sure what to do lol.
I know. Ima mess lol.
First time with detailing.
Any advise with how to move forward now?
Did i remove all the wax from D166 with the IPA? Should I apply a coat of wax or sealent or do I need to de-grease and wash before?
Ugh....
Mike Phillips
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You ended up with MICRO-MARRING all over your truck - not swirls and not holograms. Words mean things.
Well whoever gave you the advice to use an AIO to remove the micro-marring the CG products left behind was correct, a quality AIO that uses GREAT abrasive technology will undo the micro-marring.
BUT - you cannot apply a ceramic paint coating if you're using an AIO because the WAX or SEALANT in the AIO will prevent the coating from making a proper bond.
Did the same person that told you to use the AIO tell you it was okay to apply a coating over the AIO?
You can never truly know if IPA or any solvent completely removes some company's wax or sealant. This is why - if you want to install a coating you have already RULED OUT using any type of product with a wax or sealant in it.
You must stick with pro grade compounds and polishes and then chemically strip the paint after using these types of products.
I tried really hard to help you in this thread you started,
Tuxedo Black F150 - Need help removing micro-marring
I typed out accurate info in all my replies to your questions. In post #9 you wrote,
Your question was in the context of removing the deeper scratches plus the micro-marring. I also knew you wanted to sue a coating. So I DIDN'T recommend an AIO - I recommended dedicated compounds and polishes which you could then chemically strip.
Sounds like you got bad advice from someone else about using the Meguiar's AIO - OR - they did not know you were planning on installing a ceramic paint coating - OR - they don't know you cannot apply a ceramic paint coating over a cleaner/wax i.e. an AIO
At this point - if you want to install the coating you need to at a minimum - re-polish the car with CLEAN UNCONTAMINATED buffing pads and a dedicated polish in order to remove the AIO.
Hope that helps....
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The guy who reccomended the AIO didnt know I planned on using the ceramic. I had been told prior (incorrectly apparently lol)that ceramic could be used over wax so i didnt bother mentioning it to him. AMoving forward....would it be ok to apply a coat of wax over the AIO that i wiped clean with IPA? Or not necessary? I appreciate your help Mike.
Mike Phillips
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Copy that. I always write in terms of giving people the benefit-of-the-doubt - never judging. :cheers:
You can apply what is called a,
Topper
A topper being a non-cleaning wax or sealant over an AIO. Also - you don't need to use IPA to strip an AIO before applying a topper. Just go right to it.
See my article here,
Miscible and Immiscible - Wax and Paint Sealant Bonding
Sheldon explaining Quantum Physics to Penny on the Big Bang Theory
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Update....so after 30 hrs of investigation lol, a decent chunk of change, and a good learning experience, i finally got the truck looking up to par. After swapping out CG products to meguiars (brown and yellow thin foam and D166 i found that I was still getting swirls and holograms. After an initial coat of d166 with brown cut pad (and stupidly wiping it off with an IPA i decided to go at it with another coat od d166 but with yellow pad and slowing my speed down from 6 to 4 and increasing up my arm speed significantly, the swirls and trails are adios. I still have some minor scratches barely noticeable but im willing to live with them. I think a rotary might be needed (oprated bh a pro lol) to get em. Appreciate very much the advice from Mike and everyone. Kick ass to have yhis site available. I will absolutely make sure that any online products i buy go through this site. Takes a village. Thc. (Ima try to post some picschere)
acuRAS82
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Here are some after pics.
Looks great! You figured out what the paint wanted. Good job!
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Yea....2 full details. I messed up the first 2 step plus ceramic coat with CG. Had to de-grease and re-clay. Then my cut with d166 left trails...so that turned into a 2 step after polish with d166. Restored all vinyl and plastic trim. Interior detail 2x. Chalk it up to a good learning experience.
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