Zymöl stepping in now

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So Zymöl is stepping into the graphene product line up, and making some very strong claims. I’m very excited to try this product!

Thoughts?

“A groundbreaking patented protectant that is incredibly strong, hard and resilient with a high gloss shine that’s harder than any ceramic!Zymöl Atomic Graphene Shield is formulated with pure Graphene and pure Carnauba Resin to provide a hard shield that constantly repels dirt, water and environmental fallout.
Until today there has never been a consumer product utilizing the brilliant ingredient discovery, Graphene. Zymöl, working with science bound Phitech, LLC has broken this barrier and is releasing its first Graphene formulated product using a Patented Graphene Colloid.
What makes this product different is it doesn’t sit on the car’s surface; it becomes part of the car’s surface.
Unlike silicones, waxes and polymers that ‘sit’ on a painted surface, Graphene bonds atomically with the paint. This gives it durability of 18-24 months.
Zymöl Atomic Graphene Paint Shield has a very special set of properties that set it apart from other paint protection products. In relation to its thickness, it is about 200 times stronger than hardened steel. The Shield’s Graphene Superlattices are harder than diamond. The Atomic​ Graphene Shield is the best conductor of heat (UV), is best at repelling dirt and water (hydrophobicity) and is totally transparent since you can’t see an atom.
Zymöl’s new product simply relies on physics and the basic properties of the elements in nature to fight for and protect what we own and love.”


 
Well the line is going to start getting even longer over the next couple months. I'm beta testing one right now and it's very easy to apply and remove. Thing is, the car I applied it to, was traded in a week after I did it, LOL. His new car needs a massive paint correction, a black Fiesta ST, so its going to be applied to it. This is his DD and it sits outside 24/7 and is probably going to be washes once a week or every other week.

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Klasse Act said:
Well the line is going to start getting even longer over the next couple months. I'm beta testing one right now and it's very easy to apply and remove. Thing is, the car I applied it to, was traded in a week after I did it, LOL. His new car needs a massive paint correction, a black Fiesta ST, so its going to be applied to it. This is his DD and it sits outside 24/7 and is probably going to be washes once a week or every other week.

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LOL dang it!!!

Local shop here is a Zymöl retailer and the owner wants me to put it on his CQuartz coated car. So that’ll be fun to take off and prep.
My plan was not to use the HD cleanse, just polish it down to remove coating and IPA prep it. Thoughts?
 
I’m still mulling this but trouble finding things to try everything on... damn you quarantine!
 
2wookies said:
LOL dang it!!!

Local shop here is a Zymöl retailer and the owner wants me to put it on his CQuartz coated car. So that’ll be fun to take off and prep.
My plan was not to use the HD cleanse, just polish it down to remove coating and IPA prep it. Thoughts?
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Why waste a perfectly good product already on there? Does he have another car, maybe his wife's or kids car?

I know this isn't the preferred thing to do but I applied the graphine beta product ontop of my costed car. The coating was only about 2 months old and it laid down really nice, no problems. My car is very glossy and has many "toppers" on it, so sadly it's hard for me to comment one way or the other but when i work on my buddy's FiST, well, THAT will be the real test. Just need the humidity to go away, plus for the long back ordered Griot's Garage 2" conversion backing plate kit to come in

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2wookies said:
LOL dang it!!!

Local shop here is a Zymöl retailer and the owner wants me to put it on his CQuartz coated car. So that’ll be fun to take off and prep.
My plan was not to use the HD cleanse, just polish it down to remove coating and IPA prep it. Thoughts?
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My thought is to not remove the coating. See Klasse’s response.
 
The product says it’s supposed to bond to the paint, so to me that means bare paint.
 
2wookies said:
The product says it’s supposed to bond to the paint, so to me that means bare paint.
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Yes, that's true for just about everything but I have a problem and its called layering

Besides I'm able to say if it plays well with others, someone has to do it

This graphine product looks promising and I still can't believe how much surface has advanced in the 8.5 yrs I've been here, incredible

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Interesting

“A groundbreaking patented protectant that is incredibly strong, hard and resilient with a high gloss shine that’s harder than any ceramic!Zymöl Atomic Graphene Shield is formulated with pure Graphene and pure Carnauba Resin to provide a hard shield that constantly repels dirt, water and environmental fallout.
Graphene products on the market rely on various versions of siloxane substrates to bond properly with clearcoat? So.. questions here.
Until today there has never been a consumer product utilizing the brilliant ingredient discovery, Graphene. Zymöl, working with science bound Phitech, LLC has broken this barrier and is releasing its first Graphene formulated product using a Patented Graphene Colloid.
Isn't there a whole bunch of products on the market now?
What makes this product different is it doesn’t sit on the car’s surface; it becomes part of the car’s surface.
Unlike silicones, waxes and polymers that ‘sit’ on a painted surface, Graphene bonds atomically with the paint. This gives it durability of 18-24 months.
I thought they were using carnauba resin? They're not gonna use any polymer carriers? Interesting. So I guess the carnauba slides off after the deep atomic graphene bond cause the graphene is so protective nothing will bond to it?
Zymöl Atomic Graphene Paint Shield has a very special set of properties that set it apart from other paint protection products. In relation to its thickness, it is about 200 times stronger than hardened steel. The Shield’s Graphene Superlattices are harder than diamond. Going by this, you're going to destroy your paint as you apply it as it's 200 times stronger than hardened steel?
The Atomic​ Graphene Shield is the best conductor of heat (UV), is best at repelling dirt and water (hydrophobicity) and is totally transparent since you can’t see an atom.
Zymöl’s new product simply relies on physics and the basic properties of the elements in nature to fight for and protect what we own and love.”
Physics? Its a blend of carnauba, graphene, polymers, carrier solvents and bonding agents in a proprietary mixture.

My problem with this product is that the reason coating manufacturers use coatings in their forms as is right now is because unless the base product is pretty much a container of solvent with their chemical mixtures in it, the overall bonding agent and density square inch or whatever will not have enough protective density. A product that you can use in a spray bottle that will not destroy the spray bottle itself has a very low concentration of protective agents. Or when you have a nice rich creamy mixture like Polish Angel, it's not crazy durable. Look at Polish Angel "coating" durability in a nice soft cream wax vs the durability from every other company that produces solvent based coatings in a small glass container that smells like jet fumes. There's a reason why you can't chemically make pure carnauba wax last a full year. Polymer oxidization is the reason why even for pro coatings, you have these specific application conditions and why some coatings require UV lights for a true bond and cure.

Graphene is not harder than Ceramic because the definition of hardness for ceramic varies. I always use the example of your grandmothers china set versus the Ceramic Rifle plate that's meant to defeat a 7.62 by 54R round.
Graphene is more flexible. That means it can take more trauma without the bonds in between the atoms breaking. It's like Kevlar vs Ceramic. Kevlar will stop a bullet from the sheer flexibility and density of it, but the ceramic plate will stop a bullet by the sheer fact that it's just harder than the copper and lead bullet. It's also why you get a massive bruise from kevlar from a 9mm round but you don't really from a Ceramic plate with the same rating.

And also for their claims, 40 dollars is the price? I would find this more believable if this was a 100 dollar product. So basically they've taken a protective agent that requires more expensive bonding agents, solvents and carriers, but it's cheaper than one of their carnauba waxes which only requires carnauba and carrier solvents/oils?

It's nice to have dreams.
 
@WillSports3, no making fun of me if I buy it though. I promise it isn’t the description that gets me excited. It would be my first “graphene-infused” spray.
 
Methinks "Graphene!" is headed down an unfortunate path...
 
BudgetPlan1 said:
Methinks "Graphene!" is headed down an unfortunate path...
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•Graphene:
-“It can do everything but get out of the lab.”

On the other hand...

•Not to worry; it’s not the end of the world:
-Carbyne—which is 4 times stronger than Graphene—
may just become the next catchy techno-buzzword
that will be emblazoned on car detailing products:
-“Foretold is to be forewarned.”


PaulMys said:
This is why I am holding out for a
Plutonium-infused product.

I need BANG for my buck......:coolgleam:
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FinishKare 1000P is my graphene!


Bob
 
Humidity? LOL. Do your windows look like this at 10am? My sliding glass door, that's humidity Florida style. That's my 10 foot sliding glass door the other morning. :doh:


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Okydokie finally got a chance to play with it, while learning some things.

The car is a 2018 red Camaro that had been coated with CQuartz UK by a previous Detailer. I THOUGHT that a simple pass with a white polishing pad and reflect would remove the coating. I did test my theory and with a simple water test it looked like the coating effects were gone. So I proceeded with that method followed by spraying down the car with eraser looked good after I was done, proceeded to apply the topper, went on well no real flash to speak of.

Next day owner calls and says it doesn’t look right. Went over and the paint didn’t look clear like it had when I was there. Called Zymol to discuss, and the rep told me I MUST use HD Cleanse. HD Cleanse has SIo2 cleaners that remove the coating and scrub the paint down better, and that correct application of Cleanse was the entire bottle on the car. Okydokie let’s try again.

Saturday didn’t go how I wanted, HD cleanse is supposed to be a final polish but it was causing major marring on this soft red GM paint. So I scrubbed down the entire car with cleanse and then again polished it with reflect and a polishing pad back to near perfect. Followed with eraser then reapplied the coating. The HD Cleanse I was using was the old blend, meaning it had broken down and that probably is what led to my issues with the application.

I called Zymol this morning to ask about my issues with HD Cleanse, they transferred me to a guy named Chuck. Very easy going guy who is the one that told me I had an old bottle, turns out he’s the CEO of the company! We had a great talk and he is sending me some things to try and the new updated bottle, which he says shouldn’t damage the paint at all.

As it’s a new product real world testing is hard to nail down how long it’ll last, but they’ve been around for 40 years so that’s comforting.

On to the pictures!!! The car looks incredible now, the paint has an insane amount of depth now. Ceramic doesn’t offer that warmth like a wax does, it’s just really glossy.
Zymol by John Wilkinson, on Flickr

Zymol by John Wilkinson, on Flickr

Zymol by John Wilkinson, on Flickr
 
So you got a new bottle (formula) of Cleanse to use that quickly?
 
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