Been thinking to much

[weekend warrior]

ouch, you used a AIO before a full blown ceramic? not to knock on blackfire, wolfgang and others but it really seems the koreans have the ceramic coating market almost cornered. gtechniq, igl, gyeon, kamikaze and a few others are not Korean.

Like I mentioned I am retired..with this virus .I have lots of time on my hands...tired of watching Netflix LOL...and I enjoy cleaning my car...been doing it for many years...to me there are way to many sealants and coatings...confusing...

 

[noorth]

Like I mentioned I am retired..with this virus .I have lots of time on my hands...tired of watching Netflix LOL...and I enjoy cleaning my car...been doing it for many years...to me there are way to many sealants and coatings...confusing...

I have lots of time has well lol i work about 5 mths a year. I've tried a dozen products now i guess - spray waxes, i really like rapidwaxx looks great and smells good. Like a good women.

You can apply that whenever you want.

 

[The Guz]

I am retired....plenty of time on my hands....I wash my car 3 to 4 times a month because my car sits outside 24/7....I use WF Uber SIO2 coating wash...and after I use a SIO2 spray paint sealant.....I did my car with ceramic coating about three months ago...should I use a ceramic coating spray ILO sealant spray....like I said I have plenty of time on my hands.

No need to use all of these silica products.

It's all in the polishing my friend. Like you, I like to try different products. My paint is so protected it's bullet proof..

Car Pro's Finest 1 yr. ago. Various spray coating including Reload, Turtle Wax Ceramic Spray Coating and the latest 303 Graphene spray coating.:laughing:

Have to agree here. Polishing will get the best look.

want to thank everyone for their response...I didn't realize putting a fresh coat of sealant on every week was a bad idea....what about if I use a spray sealant or spray coating once a month?...thanks again...want to say my car sits outside 24/7

Too much silica is not good. It will tend to mute the base layer.

say in 6 months should I use a One step ..to clean...polish ....protect...does that make sense

Just remember that an all in one will remove the coating that you applied and as mentioned some clear coat.

I used BF profl black edition ceramic coating....I polished before that with a porta cable machine using BF one step...

Seeing as you applied the coating over an all in one it won't last long anyway so your coating may or may not survive 6 months. So you can use one step again but this time top it with a wax or sealant. Coatings need bare paint free of waxes, sealants or oils to bond to. The exception is applying a coating over a primer polish.

 

[weekend warrior]

No need to use all of these silica products.



Have to agree here. Polishing will get the best look.



Too much silica is not good. It will tend to mute the base layer.



Just remember that an all in one will remove the coating that you applied and as mentioned some clear coat.



Seeing as you applied the coating over an all in one it won't last long anyway so your coating may or may not survive 6 months. So you can use one step again but this time top it with a wax or sealant. Coatings need bare paint free of waxes, sealants or oils to bond to. The exception is applying a coating over a primer polish.

thanks for your response....I was thinking of the same... using BF one step all over....then use then using BF SIO2 paint sealant...or a wax...what would you recommend since I like to do my car often

 

[57Rambler]

If I was going to apply a sealant as the LSP, I would skip using an AIO and instead use an appropriate standalone polish to do whatever paint correction is needed. Then I would apply a standalone sealant like WG SiO2 Paint Sealant. Then maintain with good wash technique and something like Duragloss Aquawax if you want a drying aid/topper.

It just doesn't make sense ($ and time) to use an AIO with sealant and then top that with a standalone sealant. And some sealants are going to bond better to bare paint, whereas with a wax that doesn't factor in as much.

 

[PaulMys]

It just doesn't make sense ($ and time) to use an AIO with sealant and then top that with a standalone sealant. And some sealants are going to bond better to bare paint, whereas with a wax that doesn't factor in as much.

I have actually used 3D Speed (AIO) topped with Collinite 845/476S (hybrid sealant/wax) with incredible success.

I have posted numerous times that I do not think topping an AIO is a waste of time on your own vehicles. I mean, you have to top the dedicated polish, right?

 

[The Guz]

thanks for your response....I was thinking of the same... using BF one step all over....then use then using BF SIO2 paint sealant...or a wax...what would you recommend since I like to do my car often

I’m in agreement with my fellow members. I don’t use AIO’s but if you want to top it then a spray product would be my choice.

If I was to apply a wax or sealant over it then I would just use a dedicated polish.

 

[FUNX650]

•Careful:
-Sure...you do have a lot of time on your hands;
-but you sure don’t want to drive yourself “crazy”
trying to squeeze a little more (and then a little
more; and more; and more; etc.) magnificence,
picturesqueness, impressiveness...out of your
vehicle. {Or maybe you do... :dunno:}


•Speaking of “crazy”:
-The below lyrics are excerpted from:
“Ride” (a song by: Twenty One Pilots)

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Oh, oh
I'm falling so I'm taking
my time on my ride.
Oh, I'm falling so I'm taking
my time on my ride.
Taking my time on my ride.


I've been thinking too much
I've been thinking too much
I've been thinking too much
I've been thinking too much
Help me
I've been thinking too much
(I've been thinking too much)
I've been thinking too much
(Help me)
I've been thinking too much
(I've been thinking too much)
I've been thinking too much.


Oh, oh I'm falling so I'm taking
my time on my ride
Oh, I'm falling so I'm taking my
time on my ride
Taking my time on my ride.


I've been thinking too much (I've been
thinking too much)
I've been thinking too much (Help me)
I've been thinking too much (I've been
thinking too much)
I've been thinking too much.


Oh, oh
I'm falling so I'm taking my
time on my ride
Oh, I'm falling so I'm taking
my time
Taking my time on my ride.


I've been thinking too much (Help me)
I've been thinking too much (Help me)
I've been thinking too much (I've been
thinking too much)
I've been thinking too much (Help me)
I've been thinking too much (I've been
thinking too much)
I've been thinking too much (I've been
thinking too much)

Help me!

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:help:

Bob

 

[57Rambler]

I have actually used 3D Speed (AIO) topped with Collinite 845/476S (hybrid sealant/wax) with incredible success.

I have posted numerous times that I do not think topping an AIO is a waste of time on your own vehicles. I mean, you have to top the dedicated polish, right?

I guess my point is steered toward the chemistry behind all of this, and thus anything claimed to bond to your paint is going to do that best with a clean paint surface. And that "bond" will last longer. So, if I used a standalone polish before a sealant, I would make sure to clean the surface after polishing to remove any oils, etc. Aka panel wipe down. Exception would be if I used a prep polish or other polish that said panel wiping isn't needed afterward.

With the AIO followed by wax combo, you don't have to worry about the AIO's sealant inhibiting the follow-up wax' ability to "bond" with the paint ... because waxes don't bond to paint in the first place. Waxing is purely mechanical, you're forcing wax in to microscopic gaps in the paint surface.

Technical overload ... :dig:

 

[acuRAS82]

thanks for your response....I was thinking of the same... using BF one step all over....then use then using BF SIO2 paint sealant...or a wax...what would you recommend since I like to do my car often

If you do want to go the route of ending the coating’s life since it may be/is compromised by having done One Step before applying it, then I think your plan of using One Step again followed by regular (once or twice monthly) use of BF SiO2 Spray Sealant is a good, easy combo that won’t self-clean as well as a coating but the top layer of BF SiO2 (and use of WG SiO2 Wash on occasion as you wish) will ensure self-cleaning that is not too shabby it’s own right.

And I know there may be overload of opinions on this thread but it is your car and your time. Read them but take them for what they are worth (and for gaining overall knowledge and options) and make the final decision
that makes the most sense for your situation.

 

[weekend warrior]

If you do want to go the route of ending the coating’s life since it may be/is compromised by having done One Step before applying it, then I think your plan of using One Step again followed by regular (once or twice monthly) use of BF SiO2 Spray Sealant is a good, easy combo that won’t self-clean as well as a coating but the top layer of BF SiO2 (and use of WG SiO2 Wash on occasion as you wish) will ensure self-cleaning that is not too shabby it’s own right.

And I know there may be overload of opinions on this thread but it is your car and your time. Read them but take them for what they are worth (and for gaining overall knowledge and options) and make the final decision
that makes the most sense for your situation.

Thanks so much for putting up with my confusion....there are a bunch of great guys on Autogeek....what I decided is to use is Megs. untimate polish....and then use a BF or WG SIO2 sealant once a month ....Thanks acuRAS82

 

[weekend warrior]

I want to thank every one for your reply's....to my confusion....what I will be doing is using just a polish and then a sealant over it. once a month....my car's paint is very clean...smooth...Thanks again

 

[noorth]

I want to thank every one for your reply's....to my confusion....what I will be doing is using just a polish and then a sealant over it. once a month....my car's paint is very clean...smooth...Thanks again

Just to add to your confusion. You can try different products/methods on different panels of your car. Lots of us do, me included.

I personally wouldn't polish off the coating, let it ride and find a good topper/drying aid. Well maybe i would polish a door or something and try some different stuff if i was in the mood.

Its you car, if you like working on your car often you can do all kinds of interesting tests. If i had a garage my car would have 3 or 4 different product combinations.

 

[PaulMys]

And I know there may be overload of opinions on this thread but it is your car and your time. Read them but take them for what they are worth (and for gaining overall knowledge and options) and make the final decision
that makes the most sense for your situation.

This is the double-edged sword of AGO.

The "good edge" is the real world experience and hands-on expertise of hundreds of hardcore detailers (both pro and hobbyist) and the all-encompassing information that they provide.

The "bad edge" is the way that all of this info makes your head spin faster than a polisher on speed 6.


As acuRAS82 said, after all the reading it is time to just "pick your poison" and dive in. Then, you can tweak your products/techniques as you go/learn. :xyxthumbs:

 

[acuRAS82]

Thanks so much for putting up with my confusion....there are a bunch of great guys on Autogeek....

It is literally no problem, and I myself and I think many others here actually appreciate the questions and understand the reason for confusion. None of us would be as knowledgeable and detailing wouldn’t be as fun without having these ‘simulated’ problems to solve for others.

 

[weekend warrior]

Ok guys...yesterday was car wash day ...then I used a polish and detail spray....to me the car came out great...View attachment 71672View attachment 71673View attachment 71674

this is what I used
WG Uber SIO2 coating wash
Megs ultimate polish...with porta cable.
WG profi ceramic detail spray
Tuf shine tire clearcoat...used this about two weeks ago...tires still looked great....but I added another coat

thanks again for your support

 

[acuRAS82]

Ok guys...yesterday was car wash day ...then I used a polish and detail spray....to me the car came out great...View attachment 71672View attachment 71673View attachment 71674

this is what I used
WG Uber SIO2 coating wash
Megs ultimate polish...with porta cable.
WG profi ceramic detail spray
Tuf shine tire clearcoat...used this about two weeks ago...tires still looked great....but I added another coat

thanks again for your support

Just some food for thought: Coating Wash before polish is sort of a waste of the pricey wash, but it cleans and the polish will remove the protection so no biggie.

And the PROFI Detail Spray likely isn’t going to provide you much protection. I thought you had plans to go with BF Sealant (or even a wax if you chose not to AIO with One Step).

 

[weekend warrior]

acuRAS82.....what car wash would you recommend....yes my plans was to use BF Sealant....but I looked thru my many coating and sealants products and I seen the coating spray...not sure if its the coating spray my car looks very dusty...I think I will use BF sealant next time....I have a lot of products that I want to give away...is there a site here I can go to

 

[acuRAS82]

acuRAS82.....what car wash would you recommend....yes my plans was to use BF Sealant....but I looked thru my many coating and sealants products and I seen the coating spray...not sure if its the coating spray my car looks very dusty...I think I will use BF sealant next time....I have a lot of products that I want to give away...is there a site here I can go to

I would have used any cheap car wash for cleaning prior to the polishing. Preferably ones that don’t leave a large amount of protection behind, which WG does. Most other car washes leave very little protection or nothing behind. The polish needs to work through the protection to get to the clear coat, so you probably just made your polishing step a bit tougher by washing with WG.

I was just trying to point out that you don’t really have an LSP on your car. PROFI is like some light frosting on the cake, but you would be wise to put something more substantial as a base and then use PROFI QD and WG Coating Wash to maintain.

You can post things in a thread as “Things for trade”, or if you know people who want things you could PM them directly.